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1 ,-FR.. BURNE T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET N0. - Redacted April01. Released April ! 1 1 Q. Alright. 'd like to have you tell us 1 Well, first of all, could you just hold up this 1 picture, and see if you could zoom in on that, 1 The full one. Yeah, just the full picture. 0 s that a picture of you at or about the time of 1 your first confession and first communion, give or take some time? A. Yes. Q. mean you looked l ike that -- VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

2 .-FR. BURNE T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET N0. Redacted April 01 Released April01 1 A. Yeah, that' s -- Q. -- pretty close to that A. Yeah. Q. regardless if that was taken at the same time. Alright. This one 'd like you to hold up, and think your mom t alked to us about that, but think that's actuall y a picture of the day o f your first communion. s that fair? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. So, on the top, we have a picture of you with the -- with your cake and -- did it. 1 in reverse. fooled you, That's a picture 1 of your cake we' re on i t now, but that' s your 1 firs t communion 1 A. Yeah. 1 Q. -- not your confession. And l et's go 1 back down. The bottom picture i s what? Let me 1 turn around. s that -- 1 A. That's That' s first communion and 0 t hat's receiving t wasn't a scapular. t was 1 another pendant. Q. Something he' s putting around your neck. A. Somethi ng Yea~, it was a little r ed pendant. bel ieve it had a dove on i t, and VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1 ) 1-0

3 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 that's what we received. Q. Could we just hold it back up? And is this a picture of Father Burnett putting this around your neck? A. Yes. Q. Alright. So Father Burnett gave you first communion. Correct? A. Q. Yes. And is Father Burnett the same person that you met with during your first confession that we'll talk about later on? A. Q. A. Yes, he is. You knew him by name as well as by face. Yes. 1 Q. Alright. You have no doubt that Father 1 1 Burnett, James Burnett, administered you first communion and also met with you during a time 1 1 called your first confession. A. Yes. Fair enough? 0 1 Q. Alright. Now, the third grade math that was a little bit mixed up about and you and cleared up each other before today. A. Yeah. Q. Oh, and show you why we cleared it up. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

4 .-FR. BURNE T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET Nd. 1 Redacted April01 1 Released April01 Could you tell us what this document is? Maybe you could hold that one up. A. This was -- 'm not sure what you'd call it but this is the program of the first communion. Q. Communion. Okay. So this is a purple book and it says Do This n Remembrance Of Me. Right, and maybe we could come over here a little bit and zoom in on this. t says first communicants and it lists a whole lot of names 1 1 A. Yes. Yeah You would've received your first communion on one 0 of those days. Correct? 1 A. Yes. '- 1 \

5 , FR.. BURNE T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET Nd? Redacted April01 Released April J j Q. So, when you received your first communion you were years old. A. Mm-hmm. Q. s that fair? VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

6 :FR.. BURN T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO? Redacted April 01 l l Released April 01 1 A. Yes. Yeah. _, Q. And, as best you recall, did you have your first confession scheduled with Father Burnett that same grade, third g rade, when you were years old? A. Yeah, to the best t hat can -- Q. t would've been before first communion, obviousl y. A. t would've been definitely before f irst communion. Q. And it might've been the other previous 1 semester or sometime before April Fair? 1 A. Yes. Yes. 1 Q. Alright. You don' t have a specific 1 recollection of the of the date, meaning l Monday, October so and so versus Novembe r. 1 A. No. 1 Q. t was sometime during the third grade 1 school y ear as best you recall. 0 A. Yes. 1 Q. Alright. We were going back to your - - 'm going to f l ip back in chronological order a little bit to your educational background. You went to college first.year at VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (~) ~ -0

7 1 Q. Okay. What is your primary motivation in giving this affidavit about your recollections about the sexual misconduct that you suffered at 1 the hands of Father Burnett? something else? s it money or A. No, it's not money. t's to make sure that this doesn't happen to anybody else and closure for myself. 1 1 Q. A. Okay. And maybe even if somebody is out there,, just sitting there kind of the same way was, it might give them the courage to come out, too, and it would -- it would help them as well. Q. Has it been difficult for you to consider telling your story like we a re today over the last number of months? A. Extremely. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

8 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. 1 Redacted April 01 Released April Q. Alright. Have you -- Have you decided to tell all that you know about this topic, not leaving back anything, as far as you know? A. Yes. Q. Alright. You have had some conversations with your mother in recent months -- A. Mm-hmm. Q. -- about what you remember and when you remembered it. Fair? A. Yes. Q. Alright. You understand that your mom has certain recollect.ions that you don't have. Fair? 1 A. Yes. Yeah. 1 Q. And you understand that you have certain 1 recollections that your mom was not present for, 1 1 so she does not have. A. Yes. Fair? j ( Q. Alright. 'd like to ask you a specific question. A. Okay. Q. Because we're submitting both of these affidavits to the Catholic Review Board. A. Okay. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

9 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. 1 Redacted April 01 Released April 01 ' 1 Q. You were not here or present when your. mom's affidavit was taken. Fair enough? A. Correct. Q. Alright. want you to assume that your mom has testified under oath that shortly after your first confession she specifically remembers seeing you back at your house and asking you hey, Dave, how did your first confession go, and that you started to recall what happened and then your mom stated "then Father asked me to take my pants down" or to that effect. You are aware, 1 generally, that that is what your mother 1 specifically recalls you saying. Fair enough? 1 A. Yes. Yeah. 1 Q. Alright. You have previously told me 1 that you do not remember making that statement. 1 s that a true statement? 1 A. That is a true statement. don't 1 remember. 0 Q. You don't remember saying that. 1 A. Yeah, don't. Q. t doesn't mean you didn't state that. t just means that you don't remember that. s t;hat fair? VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

10 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. 0 Redacted April 01 Released April A. That's fair. Yeah. Q. And will come back to tbis in chronological order, but your mom also remembers being in the room where the first confession was to take place. think on days before the first confession, being around school at St. Mary's, and she remembers, from her view, that there weren't any visible windows on the doors or in the room. Do you have such a recollection, or is that just your mom's? A. don't remember any from the hallway being able to see in the door, or no sidelights on 1 the side. No Q. Okay. You don't remember one way or the other. A. No. Q. Let's go back a little bit to the time of your CCD teaching. schools. A. Yes. You went to the public 1 ( Q. So you would be taken to church regularly by your mom or your dad. A. Mm-hmm. Q. Alright. You attended church at St. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

11 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. 1 Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 Mary's, in Mokena. A. Yeah. Correct? Q. Alright. Father Burnett was the pastor when you were going to church there? A. Yes. Q. Alright. Tell me a little bit about CCD your recollections generally in the early 1 1 years. grade? A. Q. A. Q. You went to CCD from first to eighth Yeah. Alright. And assume that's - t was -- is most it is is for the public i school kids? A. Yeah. Q. Yeah. Tell me a little bit about the classes, how often do you remember going, or when you would go. A. t was once a week. t was typically recall Wednesdays going there, and it was a class of, don't know, a handful of kids, 1, maybe. Q. Yeah. And it was just -- t was -- t was just like a high school class, you know. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

12 ,. FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 You'd have your teacher there and we'd go through all the curriculum and -- A. Right. And your mom said from time-totime, as many moms do -- as my wife does with our kids, she helped you with your homework at school but she also helped you in your ceo educational class. s that fair? A. Yeah. Q. 'd like to turn specifically to the day of your first confession. A. Okay. Okay? 1 Q. So that's when you're in third grade and 1 you're years old. Right? 1 1 A. Q. Mm-hmm. Would you tell me specifically what you 1 remember today of, you know, that day? What did 1 you do that day? Do you have any recollections 1 before you go to St. Mary's for your first 1 confession? Tell me a little bit about that. 0 A. don't recall getting there or, you 1 know, being driven there. recall being in a ( line. You know, just all the kids were lined up outside the door and -- Q. Tell me where that was. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

13 . ' FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 A. That was in-- in St. Mary's and it wasn't in the church part. t was in more of the the school part. Q. Okay. Was it in close proximity to where the church was? A. Yeah. Yeah. Real close. Q. So you're in a line waiting to go into the confessional room one-by-one? A. Yeah, it was an office room. t wasn't the typical confessional that, you know, the father's on one side and then there's the divider 1 and then there's -- t's not the typical one that 1 would be in a church. This was in a -- in an 1 office. 1 Q. Okay. 1 A. You know, with a desk. You know, a big 1 office. 1 Q. Okay. And you were to -- Had you 1 practiced to where you were going to go? Do you 0 remember at all about what room. Had you 1 practiced? A. No. don't recall practicing. i ' ' ) Q. Okay. A. just remember, okay, being in line VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (~) 1-0

14 .!. ) ' ' FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 and, you know, you'd go in and do your -- do your confession and come out. Q. Alright. Tell me specifically about what you remember that day, when you're years old with Father Burnett, in the room for first confession. Tell me as you progress through the line what do you remember and take me through that in your own words, and want you to be very careful about what you say and be careful about this is your memories, not anybody else's.. Fair enough? A. Sure. Fair enough. Q. Alright. A. remember standing in the line -- or being in the line, in the front part of it. 'm 1 not sure how many kids were in front of me. When 1 1 it was my turn to go in, remember walking in, and as you walk in to the left side, there was a 1 chair -- there was two chairs. There was a chair 0 here and then Father was in another chair, and ). ) ~ 1 Q. By ather, you mean Father Burnett? A. Father Burnett. Yes. Q. Father Jim Burnett. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (l) 1-0

15 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 A. Jim Burnett. Q. Right. Okay. A. And remember walking into the room and then don't know how got to the next point. don't remember walking or if was helped up, but remember sitting on Father Jim's lap. Q. Okay. Back then did you call him Father Jim or Father Burnett? A. believe it was Father Jim. Q. Okay. And you said you remember sitting on his lap. Right? A. Yes. Q. Do you specifically remember your orientation? Meaning which way were you facing and which way was he facing, and if you can remember that, could you show us on the videotape? A. Yeah. Yeah. f -- don't know how to 1 do this, but okay. This would be the -- 'm sitting in the chair that -- Q. You're Father Burnett? A. -- that Father Jim was sitting in. Q. Okay. A. As myself, would be sitting on his right knee. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

16 . FR.. BURN TT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO? 0 '. Redacted April01,. 1 Released April 01 1 Q. Could you pull back a little bit, Mr. l Video Operator? want to s e e his -- t's okay; you stay there. A. Okay. Q. just want to see what he's referring to. That's all. That's good. A little bit --A little bit farther back. That's fine. Just, you know, we've got a glass t able here what you're saying, but can s ee y our -- A. Okay. Q. want to see his lap, You c an' t ~ 1 zoom out? l 1 THE REPORTER: 1 closeness. Th at's because of the 1 MR. JOHNSON: Oh. 1 THE REPORTER: You can't zoom. The zoom 1 lens is already out as far as it goes. 1 MR. JOHNSON: Fair enough. There you 1 go. That 's good. jus t want to see his k nee. 0 There you go. Fair enough. 1 BY MR. JOHNSON. Q. Now we got you in full frame. Okay.., ' A. Okay. Q. Alright. Just take your time. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (~) 1-0

17 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. 1 '! Redacted April 01 Released April A. Alright. So 'm sitting in the chair that Father Jim was in. Myself, as if was Father Jim right now. Myself, would've been sitting facing -- My body -- My legs would've been draped over -- Q. You're saying you would be sitting on his right knee? A. On his right -- On his right knee, his right thigh. Q. Right. A. And my -- my feet would be like dangling right here, so -- Q. And you would be facing to your left as you're -- A. -- would be facing -- would've been facing here as Father Jim is facing towards you. 1 So now would be sitting on his his lap or that one knee and looking at him as he's right here. Q. Okay. He's -- Father Burnett's face is to your left? A. Yes. Q. Okay. A. So - VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

18 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 '. y 1 Q. And obviously you're quite a bit smaller than he is. You're the -year-old as we see in the picture. Fair enough? A. Yes. Q. Alright. A. So, yeah, 'm looking up Q. Up at him. Right. Tell me what you specifically remember next. A. Okay. What remember -- don't recall any dialogue or what he said or what said. All can remember is his right hand was -- was 1 sitting here on top of his knee and my -- was 1 sitting on his hand, and -- 1 Q. Okay. You're motioning to his right 1 hand. 1 A. His right hand. Yeah. So, he's sitting 1 here. His hand is down on his leg and am 1 sitting on top of that, so 1 Q. Let me stop you there. You have no 0 doubt that this is a true and accurate 1 recollection of what happened on the day of your first confession? A. Oh, yeah. Q. You have no doubt. s that a fair VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

19 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 statement? A. No doubt. Yeah, it's a very fair statement. Q. Tell me what, if anything, happened with Father Burnett's hand as you are sitting there, as you're sitting on his hand. A. As was sitting on his hand, he was caressing, rubbing his hand on my buttocks, on my butt. Q. On the underneath of your butt. A. Yes..! ' 1 Q. Buttocks. Right. 1 A. And it would've -- As was sitting 1 there, it was more specifically my right side. 1 Q. Okay. And is the area that he was 1 caressing or feeling, is that around your butt as 1 well as your genitals? 1 A. Yeah, it was just basically the -- your 1 whole -- my whole underside. 0 Q. Okay. That would include your butt, 1 your anus, and your scrotum area, your penis, and your gonads, to the extent that you had them at that age? A. Yes. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

20 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. 0 Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 Q. Alright. Alright. Do you have any recollection about what, if anything, you were saying and what, if anything, Father Burnett was saying at that time? A. No, don't have -- can recall -- mean, remember looking at him, but don't -- cannot recall anything that he had said to me or anything that had said back to him. Q. You're -- You have a recollection of a visual image of being in close proximity to Father Burnett's face and looking up at him? A. Oh, yeah. mean, as 'm sitting here, just basically looking back at him, but can't remember any dialogue that was there. Q. Do you remember any prayers or any specifics of any first confession you might've said that day? A. No. After, you know --And can't recall how long the duration of this whole thing was. don't know if was in there for 1 minutes, 1 minute, minutes. don't -- don't recall because don't recall any of the dialogue as well. can remember leaving the door and then, you know, looking back down the hallway and VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

21 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. 1 Redacted April 01 Released April 01 that's -- that's about it. don't remember going back to a classroom or going back -- or going to the church to say any prayers or -- Q. Alright. Let me take you back inside that room for a little bit. think your mom told us, in her deposition at another time, that she believed there were two chairs that were supposed to be in the room, on_e for the priest and one for the child, boy or a girl, who was going to say O confession. Alright? Do you recall if there were two chairs that were in there that were supposed to be used for that purpose? 1 A. recall two chairs, and would assume that that's Q. Right. A. what the purpose was. Yes. Q. Do you ever recall sitting on the other chair, or do you only recall sitting on Father Burnett's lap? 0 A. only recall sitting on the lap. Q. Your mother testified that you came home And asked you this before, but want to specifically ask you a follow-up question. A. Sure. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (n) 1-0

22 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO... Redacted April 01 Released April 01 Q. That Father Burnett, at some point in time, during the course of the first confession said -- You said then Father asked me to take my pants down or off -- same difference. remember saying that. Correct? You don't A. Correct, don't remember that. Q. You don't remember father Burnett saying that in the first confession time period. A. No. Yeah, don't. Fair? Q. Tell me what, if any, recollections you have of sitting on Father Burne tt' s lap as to whether or not your pants were on or off. A. recall them being on. Q. Okay. Alright. And how do you recall that? A. Because this memory, as it has come back, some parts of it have become very vivid and 1 some parts of it haven't. Like can't recall the ( conversations or what was said back and forth but specifically, mean, can remember the -c the feeling of, you know, his hand and my, you know, my pants. Q. Right. A. And can remember that. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

23 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 Q. Okay. Again, as you described under your buttocks and genital area. A. Yes. Q. And, in your mind, that's consistent with having Your recollect ion is consistent with having your trousers or pants on as well as your pants off. Right? A. Q. Yes. Step back a little bit -- a little easier question. saw in the first communion picture that you had a white shirt on and it looks, on the top, when you're looking at your cake, you've got a -- you've got a pair of dark pants on, and 'd like to ask you to take a look at the top of that picture and if you could tell me what you believe -- the best you remember what how you were dressed compared to how you looked in your first communion picture A. Q. A. Q. would probably say identical. Okay. mean, black dress pants, white - Perhaps a white shirt and dark -- dark dress pants. A. Yeah. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

24 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 i Released April 01 1 Q. Long dress pants. Right, not shorts? '. A. Probably-had a tie on at the time and Q. Took it off. A. Took it off. Q. Okay. Alright. Fair enough. Alright. Are there any other recollections that you have at the time of your meeting called this first confession with Father Jim Burnett, other than what you've told us already? A. No. Q. Alright. 'm not trying to put words in. 1 your mouth, 'm just trying to get that you don't! 1 remember actually how you get off his lap and get 1 out of the room 1 A. No. 1 Q. -- but you have a recollection of seeing 1 the line approaching or -- 1 A. Yes. 1 Q. And do you have any other-- You don't 0 recall saying any prayers after -- after your 1 first confession? A. No, don't recall any prayers. No. i Q. Do you recall any other -- any other '. things about the day of your first confession VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

25 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 j 1 while you were still at St. Mary's? A. No, it's brief. t's You know; the line. don't remember walking to the line. You had to get there somehow but don't remember walking to the line, but remember being in the line. remember going into the room. remember the orientation of the room. 'm not sure how got onto his lap, whether he said hop up here or whether he placed me up there. don't know, and don't know how got off of his lap. just don't know and don't remember where went 1 after confession. 1 Q. Okay. From what you know now and from 1 what you remember now, do you believe you were the 1 victim of sexual misconduct and sexual abuse at 1 the literal hands of Father Jim Burnett when you 1 were in third grade as an -year-old? 1 A. No. mean 1 Q. Let me back track. Do you believe this 0 conduct wa~ inappropriate -- 1 A. As an -year-old? Q. Oh, no. As you sit here today. A. As sit here today? Q. Right. 'm trying to - VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

26 . FR.. BURNE T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET Nd. 0! Redacted April01 ] :rmja / Released April 01 1 A. Oh, okay. Q. You know, lawyers always make bad questions. That was a bad question. n your view today -- you believe that Father Jim Burnett sexually abused you when you were years old? A. Yes, do. Q. Alright. And those are -- That belief l ~ l l J and opinion is from the facts as you r emember them that you've told us so far today. A. Yes. That's correct. Q. Do you have any doubt that what you have tol d us today that happened in that room wi th Father Burnett is a fabrication, a false 1 recollection, or do you believe it's actually 1 true? 0 A. believe it's true. 1 Q. Okay. Now, 'd like to ask you a couple of questions about when in 00 you first thought ( ) or recalled about this sexual abuse, this incident that you've just described, and 'm going to ask VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

27 FR ~ BURN T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO! 1 Redacted April01. 1 Released April 01 1 you a coupl e of leading qliestions to get you to a point of reference. Then want to ask you in your own words. A. Okay. Q. believe you told us that you had had some conversation with your wife during the spring or summer of 00 about this issue. A. Yes. Q. And then at some point later on in the summer or fall of 00 this conversation came up between first your wife and your mom. s 1 that fair? 1 A. Yes. 1 Q. Meaning your wife and your mom had a 1 conversation about the sexual abuse before you and 1 your mom did. s that fair, and in 00? 1 A. Oh, that her and my mother talked before 1 myself and my mother did? 1 Q. Yeah. 0 A. No. t was -- t was all three of us -- 1 A. Okay. A. sitting down at the same time. was. present when the whole thing came off. Q. Okay. Fair enough. could you tell us VDEO NSTANTER, NC. () 1-0

28 FR. BURNETT SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET NO. Redacted April 01 Released April 01 1 when you first had a recollection of being abused by Father Burnett, in the year We're in 00 now, but -- A. Sure. n the year Q. -- approximately what time and how did that come about in the year 00? A. couldn't tell you how it came about. t's just something that kept coming back into my memory. don't even know why was thinking, about it or what was thinking about and then all of a sudden 've got a -- this memory of back to being years old in my first confession, and then it just kept coming in my head. Q. Did you tell your wife right away or did it fester for awhile? A. Oh, no, didn't tell her right away. kept it to myself for a while. Q. Okay. At some point in time, did you have a conversation with your wife in the spring or summer of 00 about your remembering of being sexually abused by Father Burnett at your first confession? A. Yeah. Q. Alright. And sometime thereafter your VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1) 1-0

29 . FR: BURNE T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET Nd. 1 Redacted April 01 t. 'ifmja 1 ' Released April 01 mom 1 and you and your wife were present, where a l l. three of your discussed it. s that fair? A. Yes. Q. And t hat would've been perhaps somewhere in t he -- A. Late - - Late summer, fall. Q. -- summer or f a ll, or fall o f 00? A. Yeah. Yeah. Q. Whe n - - At this time in the spring, s ummer, fall of 00, had you heard of any 1 allegations o f any sexual abuse at the hands of 1 Father Burnett from any othe r source? 1 A. No. 1 Q. Had you heard of any allegations 1 1 A. No. 1 Q. You know of some o f t h e t 1 grew up around the area that you did. Fair? 0 A. Yeah. Yeah. 1 Q. Alright. And have you spoken with any o~ the in the last year, two years, five ( years, ten years? A. No. VDEO NSTANTER, NC. (1 ) 1-0

30 j. FR. BURNE T SCAN FROM THE DOCESE OF JOLET! Redacted April01, ' { Released April01 1 f l! l ; \ ( 1 Q. Al right. Was there ever a time during your sophomore year that you said something to the effect that, gee, this might've happened to me, referring to sexual abuse by a clergy? VDEO ~STANTER, NC. (1) 1-0