The Truth About Hypnosis by Jim Katsoulis and Tellman Knudson

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1 The Truth About Hypnosis by Jim Katsoulis and Tellman Knudson Transcription with Special Guest Bill Harris, Founder of Holosync and the Centerpointe Research Institute

2 Alright. Welcome everybody. This is Tellman Knudson and I'm here with Bill Harris with one of our amazing interviews for truthabouthynosis.com, and if you don't know Bill Harris, then you've definitely been sitting under a rock for absolutely quite a few years, I'm afraid to tell you, because Bill has pioneered one of the most amazing and powerful technologies available on the planet to help induce the hypnotic and meditative states that most of us have experienced and try to experience again and again and again with things like hypnosis. This technology is called Holosync and Bill founded a company known as Centerpointe that has just grown and grown and grown. It actually has over 700,000 people who use Holysync in order to attain these amazingly profound levels of awareness in their own mind and enter the hypnotic and meditative states very quickly and easily. Now, he s an expert in how unconscious cognitive processes actually affect how we behave, who we attract into our lives, what we attract into our lives, and ultimately, what occurs as a result; and he has proof of this as well. He is not a self-proclaimed expert. He has over 700,000 people who worked with his technology and his methods but more than that, he started out on his kitchen table and he built a company that has made over $100 million by helping people to achieve these states of awareness, which I think is a pretty big thing. Most of us, when we get into hypnosis and start studying the stuff, the reason we do it is to help other people. I haven't helped over 700,000 people myself yet, and I think that's a pretty big, big part of the world that Bill has helped to affect positively so that's absolutely awesome, Bill, and growing everyday. What you should also realize about Bill Harris is that he s a certified trainer of NLP, neuro-linguistic programming, and actually has a private therapeutic office for quite a while in his early days before Centerpointe where he did one-on-one sessions with Page 2

3 people where he used NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis, one on one with people to help achieve immediate changes in their lives. Bill has achieved a huge amount of change in life since then, and what we're gonna be talking about today are some of his thoughts about hypnosis and Holosync and all these other things that are going on in the world of hypnosis and altered states of consciousness. So, Bill, welcome to Truth about Hypnosis, and we're really glad to have you here as an interviewee. Well, I'm glad to be here, too, and I am [inaudible] 3:11 all those other things, I am a self-proclaimed expert, too. That's good to know, good to know. Awesome, awesome. So, Bill, let s start back when you were seeing people for one-on-one sessions doing Ericksonian hypnosis and NLP. What got you interested in hypnosis in the first place? Well, let me see if I can think back to then. I guess, you know, when I was learning NLP, I became very fascinated with the fact that though NLP seems to be taught most of the time to people so that they can teach it to other people and a few people are using it for business and a few people trying to do therapy with it, usually unsuccessfully financially, it seemed to be that it described I don't think NLP is really clear about this, but it sort of kind of imply it, but nobody really clearly states this. But I think it describes the unconscious cognitive processes very well by which we create our moment-bymoment feelings, our behaviors, what and who we attract into our life, and what the things out there in the world seem to mean. And all of those four things I just mentioned really encompass most, if not all, of a person s experience in life, and [inaudible] 5:00 a big fan of Napoleon Hill, the author of Think and Grow Rich and a number of other books, and when I found this other information, I thought, wow, this is kind of a deep structure of what Napoleon Hill was talking about, and this is why sometimes when I d followed his instructions, it didn't work because, you know, for instance, if I wrote out a goal Hill has all these specific instructions about how to write out a goal. If I wrote out a goal and then started when I wrote it out, I ended up feeling afraid. I thought, wow, this isn t the way he described it that I was supposed to start feeling afraid. Page 3

4 And it took me quite a few years of working with this Napoleon Hill stuff before I didn't feel afraid when I sort of said, Okay, I'm gonna go out and achieve this, because I was afraid I was gonna fail, I was afraid it was gonna look stupid, and so on and so forth. But I realized when I started to study cognitive psychology that what I was doing was focusing on what I was worried about, what I did not want, what I wanted to avoid; and when you do that, two things happen. You instantly feel bad and you're inadvertently giving your mind an instruction to create what you're focusing on which is what you don't want. And if you do it enough, you will create what you don't want. So, at any rate, this kind of alerted me to okay, this is the deeper structure of what he s talking about. This is what s going on under the surface when you do things that he suggests, and this is what successful people are doing except that in almost every case, successful people are using these internal cognitive processes without knowing how they're doing it. They're doing it unconsciously even though they might be doing it in a resourceful way. I may be sort of talking myself into circles here so that people don't know exactly what I'm saying so let me clarify it for a few moments. Everybody has this set of internal processes that, as I said a moment ago, really create reality. I call it your internal map of reality and those internal processes are mostly created while you're growing up. And then, they just sort of run automatically, and people are almost entirely unaware of them. And because you're unaware of them, you don't have a choice about them. Now, if when you were growing up, you have great parenting, great mentoring, lots of positive experiences and so on, this internal map of reality is probably largely resourceful and, most of the time, it helps you create what you want. But if you had lousy parenting, no mentoring, you know, really a lot of unfortunate experiences and so on, you may have a map of reality that is not very resourceful and creates a lot of what you don't want which would include a lot of feelings you don't want, a lot of behaviors that you don't want and don't feel in control of, attracting lots of people in situations into your life that look like they're just happening but really the whole process is being driven by your own unconscious processes. Page 4

5 And, in that case, this is a spectrum, obviously, and I'm talking about the best and then the least resourceful because there's a lot of middle ground, too. But, in that case, a person ends up having a pretty unsatisfactory, unfulfilling life where you get a lot of what you don't want. In both cases, though, the person, whether they're getting what they want of not getting it, it s all happening under the surface unconsciously. What I'm trying to teach people how to do is to become aware of those internal processes, observe them in action so that you can see exactly how certain things that you have been doing automatically but could do intentionally are, indeed, generating how you feel moment by moment, how you behave, what and who you attract, and what things out there in the world mean. And once you begin to see how you're doing that, and you clearly observe what you're doing inside as it s happening, and see the connection between what you're doing and what happens, what happens is that the things that are not resourceful fall away. It s like you can't keep doing these things and do them with awareness. You can keep doing them if they're unconscious, and most people do for their entire lives. They ll just keep making the same screw ups over and over again, having the same problems, attracting the same people they don't want into their lives, and so on and so forth. But become aware of this stuff and watch it in action and the not resourceful stuff automatically falls away because you just can't keep doing this stuff to yourself once you see how you're doing it. So, that's kind of what I do. And, in fact, after I give this little intro, we can get back into how this connects to hypnosis, perhaps, and so on and so forth. But if people ask me to describe in a few sentences what I do which is hard for me because I'm such a blabbermouth. But I have this amazing tool, Holysync, which we can describe in greater length in a moment, if you want to, Tellman. But by placing people into extremely deep states of meditation creates additional awareness. It really expands your awareness including your awareness of these unconscious processes. So, people use Holosync and as they do it over time, their Page 5

6 awareness really grows so that they become aware of stuff that was formerly unconscious. Then, what I do is I show them the most resourceful place to place that awareness. In other words, what to become aware of; and one of the things I have people become aware of (not the only thing but one of the things) are these internal processes because as you become aware of them, they begin to operate in a really amazing way. So, to go back to these two ends of the spectrum, you have people who have a reasonably good internal map of reality, and people on the other end who have a not so good internal map of reality, and I said both of them it s operating unconsciously. If you can become aware of how it s operating, then something really amazing happens because not only do the dysfunctional, not so resourceful aspects of it fall away because you can't do them and do them consciously, but you gain so much choice and control over these internal processes that create your life that you become like the person who s getting a lot of what they want, and because you're doing it consciously and intentionally, you're able to do it to an even greater degree than the person who just happens to have a really resourceful yet unconscious internal map of reality. So, it s like you're really good at doing something but because you sort of deconstructed how you're doing it, because you understand that, you become much better at it than just the person who was just naturally talented, doing something well but didn't really know how they were doing it. Interesting. So, that was a simple answer. Well, I hope that makes sense. It makes a lot of sense, really. When we're talking about kinda zooming in and zooming out on some of these different levels and so with these different planes, the question is, how can that happen easily and effectively? I would definitely like to know a little bit more about how you transitioned from working with people with hypnosis and NLP into the arena of Holysync and we ll get into Holysync more talking about how it works and brainwaves and binaural beats and all this stuff. But what actually happened for you to go from working with people one on one to working with people on a much grander scale? Page 6

7 Well, a number of things happened. First of all, I started meditating, just doing traditional meditation when I was 19. I would say that my years of doing individual work and also, I was teaching some small classes in it, too, it was probably when I was 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 years old, right in that area, maybe even up into when I was 40 I'm a little foggy on the timeline on it, but I was in my 30s. So, I've been meditating for a quite a while doing it in a traditional way. To make a long story short, one aspect of this was that I became aware of a research that had identified the brain wave patterns that meditators were making. Actually, by the end of the 1970s, scientists knew pretty conclusively what brain wave patterns people were making when they meditated. Then, there was a paper published in Scientific American in I didn't see it for 10 or 12, 15 years later. I don't remember when I first came across it but it was written by a researcher at Mt. Sinai Medical Center, a man named Dr. Gerald Oster and he described a way using certain combinations of pure sine wave tones delivered to the brain through the ears using stereo headphones that you could create in a person or entrain (the word they usually use) different brain waves. So, I and a few other people around the world said, Gee, if these are the brain wave patterns of meditation and this is a way to create brain wave patterns pretty easily with sound rather than doing different kinds of mental gymnastics to create them such as meditation is one way to create them, traditional meditation, but if this is a way to create them, could we create really deep meditation using this type of technology? So, I was sort of playing around with this when I was about 35, and at that time, I was an extremely angry person. I was depressed a lot. I was difficult to get along with, and my life was definitely not working very well on any kind of a personal level, and certainly, I wasn't making very much money. I had sold real estate when I was younger and I had bought some real estate and I have income from that, not a lot but enough to kind of live on, and I was probably making another thousand dollars or something like that a month doing private sessions with people using hypnosis and NLP. So, I wasn't making a lot of money or anything. But, at any rate, I changed so much personally using this technology which I later called Holosync and created a company around it. And as I was using it, a number of my Page 7

8 friends which grew to probably, at least, a hundred people between 85 and 89 we were all using this and everybody was having their own version of some really dramatic personal changes, not to mention experiencing a lot of classical meditation. But the main thing I noticed was that my personality was changing and I wasn't angry anymore, and I wasn't getting depressed anymore, and people were saying, Wow, you seem so mellow, which had something people had never said to me before. And so, in 1989, somebody said to me, You know, you should create a structured way to use this and make it available to people. So, I started this little, tiny one-man company. Actually, I had a partner for a while and he was kind of the partner from hell (overlay) but anybody who s ever started a business has probably had that experience. But, at any rate, it was this little, tiny kitchen table company; and the first year, I made a whopping 12 thousand in sales because I had no idea how to run a business or anything. But I was extremely enthusiastic about this technology and what it does because of what it had done for me. And it was kind of like the way you feel when you read a really great book or see a little great movie and then you go around to people saying, You've got to read it book, You've got to see this movie, and so I just sort of felt like an evangelist for this technology because it had created such a huge change for me; and I'd seen it do the same thing for a lot of other people who had over those four years started, you know, playing around with it with me. So, anyway, partly because of my enthusiasm and my desire to get this out to more people, I began to investigate some of the kind of marketing masters that you're aware of, too, Tellman, people like Jay Abraham who s now a good friend, Gary Halbert who was an acquaintance (not really a close friend, who recently had died), and studied a lot of the other top marketing people. And for whatever reason, unlike what most people do when they are acquainted with a lot of this marketing stuff, I actually did what they said. For some reason, most people don't. I've also worked as a marketing consultant that I find that maybe 4% or 5% of people, at the most, actually utilize this information once they learn it. And I think my passion for what I was trying to market was part of the reason why I did that. And also, I've always sort of been a taking action sort of person. Page 8

9 But at any rate, I gradually learned how to market and I really used it, and so the company went from being 12 thousand in sales the first year to being 48 thousand the second year, and about 250 thousand the third year, and about 375, I think, the fourth and fifth years each year, and it went up to about 750, and then the year after that, it cracked a million, and it just kept going higher and higher until 2008 was a little bit off because of all the financial stuff. But in 2007, we did 17.3 million. Wow! And we did over 14 million in So, I think, the combination, in fact, is that this technology really does what we tell people it will do, and we've created this huge support system to help people as they use it that includes lots of one-on-one support and lots and lots of educational material not only about the technology and what happens when you use it but about you know, over the years in providing this support, I more and more and more have become a prominent, personal growth/spiritual growth teacher, and so I have a big worldwide constituency now which nobody is more surprised than I am. So, I don't know if that answers your question about how I went from this to that but that's kind of the story. Awesome. So, let me ask you this question then. It sounds to me like first, you were focused on helping people and then you found something that worked so well that the business evolved as a result of a fantastic product. Is that a fair statement? Yeah, and I think what I found out, too, especially as I got into the marketing stuff, was that helping lots of people in the way that I do now has much greater leverage than working one on one with people. Now, obviously, there are certain things that lend more to working one on one and there's certainly a place for that, and lots of people need one-on-one help. You know, there are some people who what we provide isn t helpful to them that much because before they do what we do, they really need therapy. I mean, these are people who are pretty damaged. They've really been traumatized and abused a lot, and it s just a little bit beyond what we can do in a distance learning sort of situation. Page 9

10 Well, it sounds to me that when you started talking about 12 million, 14 million, $17 million a year, it sounds like you're doing a little better now than you were when you were seeing people one on one. Just a little bit, yeah. But let me ask you this question, though. Are there occasions now where you do work with people in some capacity one on one? Well, you know, I did my last one, at least, for now, last year but we used to do two retreats every year and I did that from 1992 through last year, and I decided to sort of take a moratorium from that, and that's not exactly one on one because there were usually about 50 to 60 people at these retreats. But there was one-on-one work involved in that, and I do workshops with a very famous American Zen master Genpo Roshi, and then I've also a certain amount of more one-on-one work. Again, it s a group of people but there's one-on-one work within. And, you know, every once in a while, I work one on one with someone who is a friend, or someone who gets referred to me for some reason, but that's not really what I do anymore. (overlay) that I used to be but just because I know what I'm doing more but it s not really what I do. I know a number of people who are really good at working one on one with people and if someone needs that, I generally refer them to someone else because it s just kind of not what I do anymore. Got you. Well, let s talk a little bit more about you what you do with Holosync and how it works and how it helps folks out. I mean, I've studied binaural beats and specific frequency sound waves, and all this kind of stuff kind of in depth. I would bet that you have some easier ways of explaining it to people than I might. So, you can you tell us a little bit more about really how and why Holosync works in terms of inducing this state and what people can expect. Well, you know, there are quite a few people out there who, as you know, are selling products that are based on a binaural beat kind of technology, and for some reason, I think it s because I had all those years of meditation and all these years of studying what meditation is about both from a scientific perspective but also from an Eastern Page 10

11 philosophy perspective because people in the East have some insights about this that the Western scientists are only now sort of catching up to. So, both of them are sort of a big pot of information. But I think, because of that, I somehow, intuitively knew, first of all, how to do the technology because there's a lot of different ways you can do it how to do it and also, I certainly knew more of why people respond to it in this way or that way, you know, when certain things happen to you when you use it, what it means and why it s happening because a lot of these things correspond directly to stuff that happens in traditional meditation. So, I was able to support these people and explain to them what was happening in a way that the other people who were, in almost every case, just people who thought, Oh, wow, binaural beats, it s really cool. Look, you can get into these wild states, but they didn't really have the depths of experience I had. So, in a way, what I came up with, the way I do it which is protected by a trade secret, is something that I sort of came to, a lot of it, kind of intuitively, partly by trial and error, too, but also just sort of understanding what I was working with because I was just working with really deep meditation, sort of meditation on steroids. So, with that little introduction you know, binaural beat is really a way of getting the two sides of the brain to communicate with each other in such a way that a standing wave is created in the brain all day long. Twenty hours a day, electrical occurrences are going through your brain as different neurons fire, and those patterns do create waves of different frequencies and the four basic categories that most people talk about are beta brain waves which are the highest well, they're not the highest frequency, actually, gamma waves have the highest frequency but that's another story and another category so I think we ll leave it out for now but I can bring that in later if we have time. The normal, daily walking around, average experience of almost everybody on the planet, they are, most of the time, in a beta brain wave pattern. In the higher edges of beta, people feel really stressed out, they feel dis-ease, they feel anxiety, it kind of jungled and so on. As it slows into the lower parts of beta, that's where people can do math problems, focus on stuff, learn, relate to other people, be rationale. You know, this sort of daily rock and roll is mostly people being in a beta brain wave pattern. Page 11

12 The next slower pattern is called alpha, and alpha is when you become more relaxed. The top end of beta is sort of fighter flight. When you get into alpha, you start to get into what they've called at Harvard, the relaxation response where you're calmer and your brain works better. When you're reading a book and you're really absorbed in it, you're in an alpha brain wave pattern. When you're watching a movie or a TV show and you're really absorbed and you kind of blocked out your environment to a certain extent because you're so absorbed, that's an alpha brain wave pattern. A deeper alpha would be more of trancelike. Most meditation is deeper alpha. When you're just falling asleep at night, you're not quite asleep but you're really not in a normal state of a waking alertness, that's a deep alpha. When you're just waking up in the morning and you're not quite I mean, the same sort of state happens when you're waking up, too, except that the tendency is to start making more beta as you wake up. And alpha is also associated with intuition to some extent, with feelings of joy, feelings of well-being, feelings of happiness, that sort of thing. When people go even slower in their brain waves, they go into theta, which is associated along with the deepest alpha of kind of what they call hypnagogic states, states where you are having visionary experiences. Dreaming happens in a theta brain wave pattern. Deep intuition would be a kind of a theta experience. In fact, when you learn something, when you make a creative connection, when you suddenly see how a couple of things go together in a new way and you go, Oh, I get it, or Aha, or you have an idea, your brain makes a burst of theta waves as that happens. And as you make theta waves in that way, your brain also rewards you with a number of very pleasurable neurochemicals that the brain has built it in order to reward you when you learn, so that learning becomes a positive thing, so that human beings will continue to learn. And then, let s see, what else can I say about theta. People who are accomplished meditators tend to be mostly in deep alpha but with little excursions into theta now and then, which can become longer as people become really, really, really good at it. Out of body experiences happen, if they're going to happen in a very deep theta brain wave pattern. The deepest one is called delta which is the brain wave pattern of dreamless sleep where you're totally gone. But it is possible also to make what they would call waking delta. Now, if you went to a medical EEG person who was looking at your brain waves, Page 12

13 people who work with people who have different cognitive disturbances, and you were making lots of waking delta, they would assume that that was a dysfunction, and it can be in some cases. But waking delta is also associated with what in Eastern philosophy they would call a kundalini awakening. The awakening of this energy, they say, is kind of dormant at the base of the spine but then moves up to the chakras, and awakens each of the chakras, and makes you more and more aware and so on and so forth. And my friend, Dr. James Hart, who is probably the world s greatest expert on brainwave biofeedback training, and he is particularly interested in the brain waves that are associated with different spiritual/meditative kinds of states. He tells me that every person whom he has ever worked with who has shown the capacity to make lots of waking delta is extremely persuasive and almost can persuade people to do almost anything, which means that if the person hasn t handled his emotional shit, he can be sort of like [inaudible] 35:25, you know, in the sense that they can manipulate people. I mean, we were talking about someone whom we both know before we got on this call who was kind of sociopathic, and it s very likely that that person has some of this ability because he is very persuasive. So, at any rate, it s rare that people are able to develop the ability to make a lot of waking delta but as Dr. Hart has worked with quite a few people who are long-term Holosync users, you stand a much, much higher percentage than the general population. In fact, almost every one of them who have been using Holosync for more than a few years did make quite a bit of waking delta. So, at any rate, I was describing, I guess, how this works. So, these brain wave patterns happen to everybody all the time. You go into delta when you're sleeping, you go into beta when you're dreaming, you might even go into theta when you're daydreaming, and throughout the day, people also have little times when they're in alpha; and most of the time, most people are making more beta brain waves with an underlying level of delta which is going on all the time because your unconscious autonomic processes are kind of regulated or, at least, associated with delta. What people make less of is theta and alpha; and you might say that delta is the realm of the unconscious mind and that theta and alpha are sort of the bridge between. And if Page 13

14 a person can't make very much alpha and theta, you really are pretty much out of touch with your unconscious mind. And when people learn how to make more alpha and more theta, they gain more access to their unconscious mind. And what that translates into is increased awareness but I'll come back to that because I wanna explain a little bit about how this works. Really, binaural beat technology is actually very simple. We do it in a little bit more complex way which I'm not going to describe because it s a trade secret but the basic binaural beat technology is putting one or more tones of a very precise frequency into one ear, and then a tone or tones that are slightly different in the other ear; and those tones largely affect an organelle that's in both sides of the brain called the olivary nucleus. And what happens is that in some way that I'm not enough of a brain sociologist to describe, but these two organelles try to reconcile this tiny difference which depending on how big the difference is, creates beta alpha, theta, or delta, or any brainwave pattern. It s a spectrum. And so, by adjusting what these tones are, you can entrain the brain so that there's a standing wave in the brain of, you know, a ten-cycle-per-second alpha or a six-cycleper-second theta or whatever. And so, that's the basics of it. Now, one other aspect of it is that what you're really doing is getting the two sides of the brain to talk to each other in a way that they weren t before, and in order to do that, what happens is, new neuroconnections are created between the left and the right hemisphere of the brain. And so, over time, as more and more of these connections are created, a number of things happen. One thing is that you begin to exhibit what scientists would call wholebrain thinking or whole-brain functioning, and also there's a number of hormones and neurochemicals that are very good for you and very pleasurable that you begin to make more of, so you feel a lot more well-being, you feel more clarity in your thinking, and you also because of this whole-brain thinking, as I mentioned a moment ago you're awareness is much greater. And I think that, probably, what I said earlier is even more important which is that you've created this bridge between the conscious mind and the unconscious mind which allows you to more easily be aware of your unconscious processes and that gets back to what Page 14

15 I started to talking about where I said that your unconscious processes create how you feel in each moment, how you behave, what and who you attract, what the stuff out there in the world means. And that stuff just runs on autopilot. But if you can develop this kind of super awareness and then direct it toward those things, you gain tremendous control over your mind and, as most people these days know, your mind literally does create your reality. Most of the stuff that people teach talking about this is pretty much surface kind of fluff. But what I'm talking about is getting down to the real nuts and bolts of how all this stuff happens. And I d have to say, just as an aside, that my success in business and in being a teacher and financially and so on and so forth I think a lot of it is because of what happened to me and my awareness in my years of doing traditional meditation and then using Holosync. I think that has allowed me to function at a much higher level than I was functioning at previously, in fact, an incredibly higher level than I was before. So, let me say one more thing that just sort of occurred to me and then you can go off on wherever you wanna take this but I haven't actually talked to anybody about this for a while because I ve just sort of gotten into other things, but this idea that theta and alpha are kind of a bridge between the delta, unconscious part of the mind and the beta or conscious part of the mind this sort of does relate to hypnosis because this is kind of what when you are working with someone and you put them into a trance state, that's kind of what you're trying to do is create that bridge and then once you ve got it created by putting someone into a trance, then you're speaking to someone in a way that you can speak to them while they have this contact to the unconscious; and you can kind of, as the facilitator, speak to the unconscious, and in doing that, you can sometimes kind of re-wire the way people see themselves, the world, other people, their possibilities, that sort of thing. You know, as a matter of fact, there are people doing hypnosis therapeutically who do have people use Holosync or have it playing, although it s less effective this way, on either side of the person with speakers while they are doing a trance induction because it really helps people to get into those states much more easily. When I was working with people one on one, I can't say that I did this with Holosync but I definitely did it with binaural beat technology, in general. I would run it through some headphones with a little mixture and have my voice going on in the background as well Page 15

16 so that [inaudible] 44:15 And I gotta tell you, it just worked like crazy to get into just a profoundly deep state, not to mention [inaudible] 44:28 something self-hypnosis. I found that I have quite a few Holosync CDs, and I found that the more that I train my brain with Holosync CDs, the easier it is for me to go in and out of those states of awareness whenever I want to. Well, what it does is anything you practice, no matter what it is, your brain will learn how to do it better, and it will devote more brain real estate to it. You know, if you practice the piano a lot, your brain will devote more brain real estate to the parts of the brain that are involved in playing the piano which has to do with how you move your fingers, it has to do with your hearing, it has to do with being able to see music kind of page, and a whole bunch of other stuff. And the same thing goes for going into trance states or going into these brain wave patterns either through traditional meditation or using Holosync. The ability to go into them gets better and better and better; and the general term for that is brain plasticity; and I have found the same thing that as Holosync or something else I'm not saying Holosync is the only way to do this. It s the most potent way I've ever found but there are other ways. As Holosync creates all the neuroconnections that allow you to do this, you find that when you need to be in an alpha state, your intention of what you wanna do that would require that, you just go into an alpha state. If you need to go into a theta state, you do that. If you need to go and to create waking delta, you do that. It s not what you say, Okay, I need some waking delta, you know. It s just that whatever you're intending to do in your life you know, if I have a creative problem I need to solve, if Brad and I if my marketing director were saying, Okay, we wanna do this promotion, how are we gonna make it most effective? and we start thinking about it, I, immediately, start making the brain waves that will allow me to be more creative, not because I said, Okay, I need creative brain waves, but just because that's what I'm intending to do. And I think that's probably the same thing that you've noticed, too. That's what everybody notices that does this. It s that it creates this plasticity so that you can go into whatever state you need to be in to do whatever you need to do. Page 16

17 Yeah, and not only is that helpful, you know, when you're talking about therapeutic work with yourself, of course, that's incredibly helpful when you're talking about working with other people. Again, doing hypnosis clinically, I've found that being able to enter and exit various levels of hypnotic states so I could almost experience the very same suggestions that my client was experiencing always yielded a much more powerful session in Absolutely. rather than me just (overlay) Yeah, because the best way to put somebody into a trance, ultimately, is you're sitting there with them, you create rapport with them, and you go into a trance. Exactly. And they go with you, and all the other stuff that you're saying to them, all the hypnotic language, and all that sort of stuff, or whatever else you're doing to induce the trance. If you're not in a trance, it s not gonna happen very easily; and if you're in rapport with them and you go into a trance, they're gonna go right with you. I mean, I've done this many times in large groups of people, I mean, in front of a large group of people, and I start using some trancy language but I go there and pretty soon, I look out at the audience, and their eyes are glazed over, and they're with me. So, that's true. The other thing that happens, of course, if you're working one on one with people and you're able to access any state you need, one of the things that, of course, you want to be doing with somebody when you're working with him is kind of tapping into their experience. I mean, you ought to be noticing all the cues they're giving off to tell you what s going on. You ought to be really noticing the rest of the environment so that you can utilize anything that happens in the environment. You know, I mean, you hear a clock chiming or you hear the clock click and you know it s about to chime, so you say to the person, In a moment, you're going to think of three ways that you have already changed, dong, dong, dong you know, but being in Page 17

18 the right state helps you be alert to that sort of thing, and to really kind of be able to intuit almost what s going on with the client, and what it is to say next and to make connections in your head based on little cues they give off that tell you, Oh, okay, now, I get what the issue is, now I get what s going on. And then suddenly, you know where to go in the session because I know, for me, anyway, when I would start off with a session with someone, I would just start asking questions and let them talk and even sometimes after I started putting them into a trance, I wasn't quite sure yet where we were going but I would just sort of pay attention and pretty soon, it would become clear where we were going. But there's a certain state that you need to be in to be really good at finding that out as you're working with someone. Sure. There's no about it. So, when we were talking about going in and out of these states, in your years of working with people and, obviously, having over 700,000 customers which is a huge, huge thing, just a recap, what are some of the biggest benefits that people get from Holosync? Well, certainly, their clarity of mind increases greatly. Your ability to see connections between things, your ability to spot things that are incongruent, your ability to problem solve, your ability to go through a list of possibilities and decide which one is, you know your ability to create a plan just all kinds of things that would come with clear thinking, that's certainly one of the things people notice. The thing that people say the most often especially in the beginning I guess you'd say this is one of the first things people really notice is that things that bothered them before, things that would trigger them, things that might cause them to get pissed off, or afraid, or anxious, or experience some sort of dysfunctional emotional state, they find that those things lose their power, that they are able to stay calm, and maintain their equanimity in situations where before they would have been going sideways in some way, emotionally. So, over time, all kinds of and I mentioned this about myself when I was describing the early days kind of all kinds of emotional challenges like anxiety, depression, fear, anger, addiction, overeating, difficulties getting along with people, all kinds of stuff that people go to therapy for, all that stuff begins to fall away. Page 18

19 Also, you know, one of the things that happen when people meditate, in general you know, we already talked about the two sides of the brain communicating with each other. Another way to describe that is that the two hemispheres become more coherent or there is more brain synchrony or brain synchronization. Now, one of the things that actually happens when people have more synchrony in the two hemispheres of the brain, when the two hemispheres are working together is that they begin to experience what a lot of people would describe as a more spiritual outlook to the world in the sense that when the brain is very lateralized, when one hemisphere is very dominant over the other, when there's a lack of synchrony, people feel separate. They feel estranged from others. They feel at odds with the world. This is where a lot of the stuff of conquering nature and just sort of those kinds of attitudes come from. And, you know, it s very easy when you're experiencing lots of the higher end of beta and your brain is very lateralized to see yourself as sort of a stranger in the world, at odds in a dangerous world where you don't have much choice and it s me against the world, that sort of thing feeling like a victim, all kinds of stuff like that. I mean, this is where emotions like anger and depression and fear and all those things really come from is extreme feelings of separation, alienation, that sort of a thing. Well, as the brain synchronizes more and the two hemispheres begin more and more to operate together, you begin to not just feel but experience and see how things go together rather than how they are separate and apart; and it becomes more and more obvious to you that although the mind tends to separate the world into all kinds of separate things and separate events, that in reality, it s all one big interconnected thing, kind of like a river or something, or one big, interconnected ongoing event. Now, that may just sound like a kind of intellectual philosophical view but when you begin to experience things like that, that s where that relaxation response begins to come from, that's where the place that you might see a Zen master or someone like the Dalai Lama or something coming from where there are lots of feelings of inner peace, connections with others, and even higher spiritual states than that where people really do experience themselves as being at one with everything. And so that happens more and more as you use Holosync because your brain reflects more and more how things are connected as it becomes more synchronized. Overall, if Page 19

20 I were gonna describe what Holosync does and I said this in the beginning, I would say it creates more awareness. The reason that your thinking becomes clearer is because you're more aware. The reason that all these emotional stuff falls away is because you're more aware. That reason why you feel more connected to everything is because you're more aware. So, what I do really, as I said earlier, is that I provide people this really powerful tool that creates awareness, and then I direct them to what I think are the most crucial things to direct that attention toward because they are the things that most influence what happens in your life. And there's probably one other thing that I should say about this because one of the things that happens when you become more aware is that everything you become aware of isn t pleasant because what happens is that in growing up, we are all kind of forced by our parents and other circumstances to see certain things in the world and certain things about ourselves as being not okay, as inappropriate, as bad or whatever. And so, we repress or disown those things and kind of push them down into the basement of our awareness, you might say. So, when you become more aware of the stuff that you've repressed, you become aware of it again. Now, in actual fact, you can't really successfully repress or disown this stuff because it will leak out anyway. The stuff we've repressed or disowned comes out in covert and dysfunctional ways. Some people call this your shadow. And, in fact, one of the ways to identify this stuff is to notice what really bugs you about other people or about the world because that represents aspects of life that you've decided are not okay and you've repressed. And when anybody triggers that in you, it comes out in you being pissed off about it or afraid of it or whatever; and, ironically, people usually exhibit those characteristics themselves but they don't see that they're doing it although everyone else does and the very thing that they don't think is okay, it comes out of them but it comes out in a really immature and dysfunctional way. So, that if someone, for instance, disowns anger which is very common to disown because most parents don't like it when their kids are angry; and so they make it pretty Page 20

21 clear through reward-punishment, you know, I don't wanna hear your anger. So, you repress anger and you make anger wrong, and when you see someone who has really repressed anger tends to attract a lot of angry people and is really bugged by angry people. And to them, the world seems like there's one hell of a lot of angry people out there, and they express anger a lot of times in very dysfunctional and immature ways but they don't see it. Sometimes, it s passive aggressive kind of behaviors like, you know, you don't wanna go somewhere, and you're sort of pissed off you have to go, so you come late and you don't wear what you were supposed to wear to that event or something. I mean, there are all kinds of ways people can be passive aggressive, but it also comes off by you being angry yourself but you feel totally justified at being angry whereas all those angry people out there, they're being assholes when they're angry. So, at any rate, you start to become aware of this stuff, and when the stuff that you think is not okay about the world, other people, yourself, whatever, when you start to become aware of it, you resist it and that resistance causes you to feel bad. In fact, resistance actually is something you do. I mentioned these internal processes, one of them is the internal representations of reality you make in your head, but probably the most important, though, are internal pictures and internal dialogue. But when you are in resistance to something, what you do is you focus your attention on it by talking to yourself about it, about what you don't want and you make pictures of it, of what you don't want. So, if you don't like those angry assholes out there, you're gonna make internal pictures of them and you're gonna say things in your head about them. And that's how you do resistance. It will seem like it s just happening if you're relatively unconscious which almost everybody is. So, at any rate, one of the things that can happen when you meditate a lot or certainly when you use Holosync or do anything that really makes you more aware is that stuff that you weren t aware of starts to come into your awareness and some of it is gonna be stuff you don't like. And when that comes in, if you resist it which most people do, you experience it as emotional upheaval and that sort of thing. So, a lot of the support we provide to people is to help them deal with that. Some people do it a lot, and some people do it a lot less. Some people their personalities Page 21

22 are based on resistance which mine was. I had lots of upheaval as I used Holosync in the first couple of years. And other people just by temperament are less resistant [inaudible] 62:40 and they usually experience less resistance. Everyone, though, has unconscious, unresolved shit down there that if you become aware, it s starts to come up. Now, it sounds like why would I wanna do that? But the thing is that as you become aware of it, it stops appearing dysfunctionally, and it kind of matures into something that turns out to be very resourceful to you. Being a narcissist, for instance, matures into self-love. Being an asshole matures into being the kind of person who in a tough situation will do what needs to be done for the benefit of everyone even though it s unpopular. Being angry can mature into incredible life-force energy but instead of it being directed against people, it s directed toward creating something that benefits people. So, these disowned things can only appear in really crappy ways if they're disowned. So, as the stuff comes up in this way, it gets resolved in a way. It matures and so the question becomes as whatever you have that's buried down there comes into awareness, to what degree are you going to resist it and feel relatively crappy while you're resisting it? Or are you going to develop the ability which we attempt to teach people to step back from it and say, Okay, there's something coming up and, wow, that s something I really don't like but I'm gonna stand aside and observe this happening instead of getting caught in it? The ability to do that is, again, a quality of awareness. This ability to watch instead of getting pulled into something is often spoken of as witnessing or being the witness. I like witnessing better because I think it s a happening rather than something that you are. Anyway, just to give a complete picture, you can have upheaval as you use Holosync but it s a good thing because as you go through this, all the stuff that's been causing you to attract assholes into your life or shitty situations or causing you to behave in ways that get you into problems or causing you to create feelings that you don't like, and all that stuff which everybody does to one degree or another, that stuff begins to clear up; and it clears up even faster if you take advantage of the fact that I'm showing you. Page 22

23 Here are how your internal processes create these things and you sort of focus your awareness more on observing how you do it because, as I said earlier, you can only do this stuff if you do it without awareness. Once you begin to do it without awareness, it kind of dissolves. Got it, wow! So, Bill, what is the first step in terms of getting started with your technology or getting [inaudible] 66:19 with Holysync? What should people do to check that out? Well, people can try Holosync for free because we ll send anybody who wants one a free demo CD and a free special report that tells all about it and also there are tons of information about it on our website. And so, to get the free demo and see all this information, they just need to go to our website which is centerpointe.com. So, at centerpointe.com, they can get a free demo CD and a free special report and see a lot of other stuff, too. And then, I have two other free resources that people can take advantage of. Both of them are free online courses that I created. One of them is called the The Masters of the Secret, and it is conversations I had with six other people who were in the hit DVD movie, The Secret, with me Jack Canfield and Hale Dwoskin, and John Assaraf, Michael Beckwith, Lisa Nichols. I think I'm leaving out somebody but, anyway, a number of people who are top personal growth teachers; and it s completely free, and as soon as you sign up, you can listen to the first conversation which I don't remember who it was with anymore. But it s an hour to an hour-and-fifteen-minute conversation. You also get a transcript of it. You can download it, put it on an ipod, and we're talking about success and that sort of stuff. It s good stuff. Probably three quarters of a million people have, at least, maybe even 800,000, at this point, have taken that free course, and that can be found at themastersofthesecret.com. You have to have the at the beginning of it because somebody else has the url masters of that secret. So, themastersofthesecret.com, a free online course. And then, I have another free online course which is called understandingthepowerofnow.com which is something I created when Oprah had Eckhart Tolle on her program and did a bunch of webinar stuff about him, so I went out and got a bunch of other people whom I know, well-known spiritual teachers. Page 23