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Commission d'enquête sur l'octroi et la gestion des contrats pub lics dans l'i ndustrie de la construction f"'\1 ~ b DU '<.ue ec uu TRANSCRIPTION Nom du projet: Identification Appel : No. de conversation : Type: Langue(s) : Identification Personnes : No de téléphones interceptés : No téléphone entrant/ sortant: COLISÉE Dat e: 2002-11-05 Heure début: 15:13:00 Heure f in: 15:26:28 Durée : 13m28s mac0021-200211051513 1 Tra nscri pt ion ~ Trad uction Français D Anglais [8:1 Autre(s) :_ a) Vito RIZZUTO (VR) b) Jonathan MILLETIE (JM) c) Hi1 D Contenu de la conversation 1. Hi1: Alain bonjour. 2. VR: Va Jonathan. 3. Hi1: Hey how are you, ho ld on ok? 4. VR: Ali right. 00:00:00 5. Hi1: Thank you. 6. JM : Hi. 7. VR: How are you doing? 8. JM : Ok, we got this underway. 9. VR: Vou, Jonathan we got insurance? 10. JM : Veah, 1 just was, 1 spent twenty minutes on the phone. V our w ife and the, my ins, my insu re, insurance guy that's related to you. 11. VR: No kidding. 12. JM : Veah, he says, we gave him two thousand policies last year. 13. VR: (Laugh) 14. JM : He says, he says, 1 never knew that this was the sa me family. 15. VR: (Laugh) 16. JM : Can you believe? But? 17. VR: Veah. 18. JM : Please don't get me into trouble, please. We have to have a pact w ith women. Don't make me look bad in front of your w ife and 1 won't make you. So Johanna says, now l'm gonna lower the insurance seven hundred. 1 said no you're not. 19. VR: Veah. 20. JM : lt's nine fifty. 21. VR: What do you mean ni ne fifty? 00:01:00 1

22. JM: For the house, I want nine fifty. 23. VR: Nine fifty? 24. JM: Same price. 25. VR What do you mean nine fifty? 26. JM: The land doesn't burn. 27. VR Ah, you mean nine fifty insurance you mean? 28. JM: Yeah. 29. VR: Plus furniture though? 30. JM: Yeah, plus furniture. 31. VR: Oh, ok. 32. JM: So she says no I only need seven hundred. 33. VR: (Laugh) 34. JM: I said no. 35. VR: Y a ok. 36. JM: We're taking nine fifty. 37. VR: How, how much will it be the policy? 38. JM: Now he's calling us back but euh. 39. VR: But he's gonna pass it through or what? 40. JM: Yeah, of course. So he says, he says, I never knew. 41. VR: (Laugh) 42. JM: I said where did you get your two thous, thousand policies last year? 43. VR: Yeah. 44. JM: It's not from me, it's from my uncle. 45. VR: (Laugh) 46. JM: So the guy starts freaking out. 47. VR: That's right hein? 48. JM: Is that, is that beautiful or what? 49. VR: Beautiful, beautiful. 50. JM: Beautiful. 51. VR: Yeah, yeah, good. 52. JM: Anyway, we have it under control. 53. VR: Ok, so any news from, from Paul? 00:02:00 54. JM: Yeah. So Paul, Tony Magi. 55. VR: Yeah. 56. JM: He needs three million bucks. So Paul says euh, I want to get together with him. 57. VR: Yeah. 58. JM: I said no no no no no, we get together always together. 59. VR: Yeah. 60. JM: I have a rule. 2

61. VR: Yeah. 62. JM: When he gives me somebody, they report to me. When, I give you somebody, they report to me. 63. VR: That's right. 64. JM: Is that ok, with you? 65. VR: Perfect. 66. JM: I think it has to be this way. 67. VR: But then you think that's it's gonna, could be good the thing or what? Could you do something there? 68. JM: Nah, nah, he's not trustworthy. He's not. 69. VR: No, but we gone, will take it over. Hey, I'll control this fucker, you know what I mean? Now, I'm gonna be. 70. JM: No no if. Are you, are you sure you can control him? 71. VR: Of course. 72. JM: All right then I'll control Bloom and Debrowski. 73. VR Yeah I can control him. If we can. Listen, he's willing to give us half of the project, if we can help him out, you understand? 74. JM: Help is like taking candy from a baby. 75. VR: You understand? 00:03:00 76. JM: Right. 77. VR: If we can help him with the project and he lets it through we can get a half of it for ourselves. 78. JM: I can do that as long as you can control him because nobody can control this guy. 79. VR: Don't worry about it, I, I can control him. He's, how, I know, you know a way to control him, because he's gonna pass half of the project to us. 80. JM: All right, so then I'm gonna set it up, hold on. 81. VR: You, you understand what I'm trying to say? 82. JM: Let me link Paul in then, you wanna talk to him for two secs? 83. VR: Well. 84. JM: Just keep it ve, we'll keep it very generic, is that ok? 85. VR: Yeah, Yeah. 86. JM: Hold on a second, we'll get together; he needs three million bucks so we will get from the bank tomorrow. Hold on a second. 87. VR: Yeah, But why three million, he needs more, he needs sixty four million the guy. 88. JM: Ah, ok sixty four million. He's, he's smoking dope all day long, hold on one second. 89. VR: No, but he's gonna get it for, what three million, what he's talking about, three million for what? 90. JM: Take out Debrowsky, Bloo, Bloom. That's his problem you know that hein? 91. VR: No, his problem is more than that, because he as to take out the people I know before Bloom. 3

92. JM : Veah, yeah, 1 know that tao. 1 know who they are, from the form 00:04:00 workers hold on one second. Just a second. (mise en attente de 46 secondes) Veah you know dad? 93. VR: Veah. 94. JM : That 1 have the hiccups for the first time si nee l'm seventeen. 95. VR: Vou what? 96. JM : Have the hiccups. 97. VR: Oh yeah. 00:05:00 98. JM : When is the last time you had the hiccups? 99. VR: This morning. 100. JM : Are you serious? 101. VR: Uhhh, uhhh. 102. JM : This is fucking, you and me here like born from the same elath. Vou had the hiccups this morning? 103. VR: Veah. 104. JM : Hiccups? 105. VR: Veah, 1 always get them, if 1 drink tao fast. 106. JM : Vou do? 1 haven't had that since l'm seventeen. Anyways, you know it's like you and me we're running the central bank of Canada now. 107. VR: Veah. (Laugh) 108. JM : The red group, they wanna give us. Hold on a second. ls he on the phone Garry? Tell him to hang up, l'm ca lling him right back. Tell him to answer his cell phone. Right, right now. Th is Magi, 1 don't trust this guy, but anyways. 109. VR: Ah, the thing is listen, if this guy can get out of his problem, in the sense that he starts building the place. 1 thin k. 110. JM : V, he's not trustworthy, the way he's, [inaudible] he's fuck. 111. VR: Listen to me Jonathan, li sten to me, he's ready, if we get somebody 00:06:00 who can help him out, either by f inance, private f inance, or finding f inance, for him to continue the project he's w illing to give us half of the project. Vou get it? 112. JM : Veah, l'm gonna link him in now. 113. VR: Ma, before we do anything, will make him sa le. 114. JM : (Inaudible). Who's gonna gives us the eh you know? And then l'm gonna ca li you right back. Hold on. 115. VR: Ok. 116. JM : Don 't go away. 117. VR: Talk to him. Bye. 118. JM : No, no, hello? 119. VR: Veah. 120. JM : lt's gonna sound like you 're getting eut off. Vou're gonna be at- 121. VR: Cali me my number; cali me my number-. 122. JM : No, no, no, 1 want you to be on the phone. There's nothing, don't worry about it. Hold on one second, sounds like you are getting eut 4

off. One second. We're running the b the central bank of Canada now, hold on. 123. VR: (Cough) Did you talk to Tony Magi? 00:07:00 124. JM: [Inaudible] It's noon. 125. VR: Did you talk to Tony Magi? 126. JM: Hold on a second dad. I'm sorry I have the hiccups. I don't know what happened to me. 127. PAUL: Hello, yo. 128. VR: Yah. 129. JM: Yah Paul. 130. PAUL: Yah. 131. JM: I have dad on the phone 132. PAUL: Yah OK.. 133. VR: How do you do Paul? 134. JM: All right. So Listen, we will, we'll keep this in encrypted code. Tell me something, how much money does he want? Him. 135. PAUL: Euh. 136. VR: Paul, you. 137. JM: How much? 138. PAUL: From what I discussed before right? 139. JM: Yeah. How much? 140. PAUL: He's looking for fifty four mil. 141. VR: Yeah. 142. JM: Oh, then so you're right dad, sorry. 143. VR: Yeah. Paul. 144. PAUL: Yeah. 145. VR: Did you, did you look at those papers? How do they look? 146. PAUL: Yeah well they look, they look fine; the only thing I'm trying, I'm having a hard time understanding, that's why I wanted to speak to him, was that euh CMAC did they make a commitment or not? 00:08:00 147. JM: Who? 148. VR: Oh yeah, I understand. It's not marked that you can't see by those papers, right? 149. PAUL: No It doesn't say. It just says that they're they're, they were waiting for a progress report which they never got because the're saying the progress is working in, on place is so much and for them they don't quantify as seeing enough before they can do a first advance payment. 150. JM: Paul, I just got a print out right here on my computer. 151. PAUL: Yeah. 152. JM: That BMO. 153. PAUL: Yeah. 154. JM: Is in for 27 million. 5

155. VR: Who? 156. PAUL: For 27? 157. JM: Yeah. 158. PAUL: Are you sure? 159. JM: Bank, yeah, Bank of Montréal. 160. VR: Who? 161. JM: Hold a sec. Robin, it's 27 million? Today's the deadline. 27 million. 162. VR: Who? 163. JM: We have it right in front of us. 164. PAUL: Oh yeah? 165. VR: Yah but, but not for that project, another project. 166. JM: No for that, Robin for that project? 167. VR: No, no, no, no. 168. JM: Is that for the old port? 169. VR: No, no, no, no. 00:09:00 170. PAUL: I don't think so. 'Cause the BMO is not even in the picture. 171. VR: No, no, no, it's not. 172. JM: I'm sorry, I was wrong. 173. PAUL: Jonathan, BMO is not in the picture. 174. JM: I'm sorry. 175. VR: There's nobody in the picture. 176. JM: I was wrong, you hear me. 177. VR: Already I told you yesterday there's no bank involved in this. 178. JM: Dad I'm sorry I was wrong. Robin told me it's not his fault. 179. VR: Yeah. Listen the guy, he already, everybody including Bloom and everybody, there's twenty eight million dollars put in that. If you look at the report, there was a. 180. PAUL: Yeah, yeah, there's twenty, there's twenty seven something in there already. 181. JM: All right. I'm sorry I'm wrong, it's twenty seven, he as the right number. 182. VR: Yeah, but it belongs to the people and some of their money, you understand, there is no bank involved. 183. PAUL: I know but, Jonathan what I'm saying is that he's got twenty seven million tied up, not from other people but from people who committed to, to, to, to euh. 184. JM: Yeah but not not, so, so listen, listen Paul, you have to understand. 185. PAUL: Right now, it's seventy four, it's seventy four point six percent sold. 186. VR: Yeah that's right, see seventy four percent sold. 187. PAUL: Ok. One hundred and forty seven units. 00:10:00 188. VR: Yeah. 189. JM: Yeah but you know, this guy is famous for cost overrun. 6

190. PAUL: Yeah Ok. 191. JM: Do you understand? 192. PAUL: That's, that's what's called. 193. JM: Transfer pricing. 194. PAUL: Yeah that's, that's. 195. JM: He calls you a partner and he says it cost fifty million and then he says it cost sixty and puts ten in his pocket. 196. PAUL: Well that's, that's where in the document CMAC worries are. 197. JM: Well of course that's where their worries are and, but you know who's on the other side of this phone? 198. VR: Yeah but. 199. JM: Dad, you can control that, right? 200. VR: I could I tell, listen I could don't worry about it, trust me. 201. JM: So, what do we wanna do Paul? 202. PAUL: Well, we got, because see in here, we got to check with CMAC. Are they committing to this project or not? 203. JM: I'll find that out. I'm gonna make one more phone call right after this. 204. VR: Paul, Paul, Paul. 205. PAUL: Yeah. 206. VR: Paul, suppose they're not, what can we do? 207. JM: We'll take it to GE. 208. PAUL: Well we'll go to GE, exactly. 209. VR: Yeah, yeah. Ok, Ok then you know what you are gonna do, you got, you gotta phone Tony, Ok. 210. PAUL: Yeah. 211. JM: Who's gonna call Tony? 212. VR: Him, Paul is gonna call him, and tell him. 00:11:00 213. JM: Can he call me on the phone? 214. VR: Hey? Who? 215. JM: Me. Can he call with me on the phone? 216. VR: Yeah, but I want Paul. Paul is got the file. I want Paul to call him with you whatever, and I. 217. JM: And I want your permission to call with me on the phone. 218. VR: No problem, I'm saying, but let Paul. I wanna him to say. 219. JM: Are you authorizing Paul to say. 220. VR: Yeah, I was gonna ask you. 221. JM: Privately who's behind. 222. VR: I'm authorizing Paul to say this. 223. PAUL: Yeah. 224. VR: Tell him when you call him, tell him that I said for you to call him and that it's concerning what we he talked with me and that if he needs 7

some questions, answer the questions, that's all. 225. PAUL: Ok, exactly. Ok, good. 226. JM: So dad, so why don't we meet tomorrow, all of us. 227. VR: Yeah. 228. JM: What time? 229. VR: I can meet tomorrow at anytime you want, give me the time. 230. JM: Paul? 231. PAUL: Yeah. 232. JM: Call him up. 233. PAUL: Yeah. 234. JM: I'll link him all in. 235. VR: No, no, call him up Paul, tell him I told you to call him and ask him some questions. 236. PAUL: Yeah. 237. VR: And then you tell him that I put you in the file and euh, I meant you're answering to me, you understand? That's it. 238. PAUL: Yeah. Ok, Ok. 239. JM: Can, can my name be mentionned there too, V? 240. VR: Well later on yeah, if, if we see that we can do something, then yes. 241. JM: No, I need my pride too. 242. VR: Well of course, we need you for GE no? 243. JM: Thank you. 244. VR: We need you for GE no?. 245. JM: Thank you. So you know what, Paul, get him on the phone, I'll get dad back on the phone. Ok? 246. PAUL: Yeah. 247. VR: But you don't have to get me on the phone. 248. JM: Yes I do. 249. VR: No, I don't want to be on the phone, you talk, ask him exactly what I told you. If any problem. 250. PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. 251. VR: Then you get me on the phone. Ok? 252. PAUL: Ok. 253. JM: All right. I'll call dad back. 254. PAUL: Hey, exc- while, while you're on the phone, just two things. 255. JM: Yeah. 256. VR: Yeah. 257. PAUL: The, the r-, the other document, I did get from you yesterday. 258. VR: Yeah. 259. PAUL: One, one is that, I don't think we can do anything euh which is the girl there euh because of the credit, I pull a credit and it's way down the. 00:12:00 8

260. VR: What? 261. JM: I already fixed it. 262. VR: The wife, the wife? 263. JM: No, nothing to do with you dad. 264. VR: Ah, ah. 00:13:00 265. PAUL: With Jonathan, yeah. 266. VR: Yeah Ok. 267. PAUL: Ok. anyways so I'll call him and then I'll get back to you. 268. VR: Ok. 269. JM: Hey? V. 270. VR: Yeah. 271. JM: There's two files, one through. 272. VR: Ok, Ok, Ok. I got it, I got it, no problem. 273. JM: Ok. [inaudible]. 274. VR: No Problem. 275. JM: Ok. 276. VR: Take care. 277. JM: Call me right back. 278. VR: Take care. 279. JM: Get him on the phone, Magi. I'll speak with him with you, Ok? 280. VR: Right. Bye. 281. PAUL Yeah, Ok. 282. JM: Bye. 283. VR: Bye, bye, bye. Bye. [Fin] 00:13:22 9