scene? Correct. Was one of those witnesses then Steve Smith? Now did you ever learn the name of the civilian who helped you pull out Jordan Davis from the car? No, ma'am. I did not. MS. WOLFSON: I have no further questions, 0 0 Your Honor. THE COURT: ll right. May he be excused? MS. WOLFSON: Yes, Your Honor. THE COURT: Mr. Strolla? MR. STROLL: Yes, Your Honor. THE COURT: Thank you, Officer. You're free to go. (Witness excused.) THE COURT: Next witness. MS. COREY: William Spicer. THE COURT: William Spicer, please. Mr. Spicer, if you'll come to the front for me, please, straight up here. If you'll raise your right hand the clerk will administer the oath to you, sir. WILLIM SPICER,
0 having been produced and first duly sworn as a witness on behalf of the State, testified as follows: THE WITNESS: I do. THE COURT: ll right, sir, if you'll come right around here and have a seat for me, please. nd scoot up a little bit and speak right into that microphone and speak loudly so everybody can hear you. THE WITNESS: ll right. THE COURT: That's good. Ms. Corey, go right ahead. MS. COREY: Yes, Your Honor. DIRECT EXMINTION BY MS. COREY: State your name for the record, sir. William Spicer. Spell your last name. S-P-I-C-E-R. Do you work with the Jacksonville Fire and 0 Rescue Department? I do. nd can we refer to that from here on as JFRD? Thank you. nd what is your position with
0 the JFRD? I'm an engineer. nd are you also a paramedic? I am. nd can you tell this jury about your experience to become both an engineer and paramedic? You just have to go to E.M.T. and paramedic school. n engineer is a -- is a driver essentially. 0 nd what does it mean to be a paramedic? You're able to do advance life support, able to give drugs, do more than a basic E.M.T. can. nd do you assess a patient's condition when you arrive to see what treatment can be rendered? basis? nd is all of this done on an emergency When did you join Jax Fire and Rescue? March nd, 00. 0 nd have you stayed abreast of current training techniques since that time? Let me ask you, sir, what is your current assignment with Jax Fire and Rescue? I'm an engineer on Engine.
Where -- what part of town? That's in Riverside on Forest Street. re there times when you as an individual and your colleagues at JFRD are assigned to different stations just for one night? nd does that happen frequently? nd does it depend on the need of a 0 particular station at the time that you're assigned? Then let me ask you, sir, what was your assignment on November rd of 0? 0 shift. I was working at Station on an overtime Where was that located? That's on Western Way off of Baymeadows. Baymeadows Road and Southside? Had you worked at that station before? Now on that night were you part of a team that responded to the Gate Gas Station at the corner of Baymeadows Road and Southside Boulevard?
Let me ask you before we go on to that, sir, are notes made in the normal course of any run by JFRD? Do you all make notes when you go on a run? fterwards. During the run, no, we're focused on patient care. ll right. But at or near the time then, as soon as you're done with the patient do you then document what you've done with that patient? 0 nd do you have computer records that are maintained by your department that document the times of a particular run for rescue? nd are notes -- those notes then put into a computerized record that's maintained by your department? nd do you have a report pertaining to this case here with you today? 0 I would ask you to have that ready to refer to if you need it to refresh your memory. Okay. MR. STROLL: Judge, if I can just have the state remind the witness not to read from it, just
to refresh his recollection. BY MS. COREY: THE COURT: Sure. If he needs to do it. If you need to just refresh your memory and then answer my questions. Sir, were you one of several units to respond to the Gate Gas Station at Southside Boulevard on that evening? nd is that located in Jacksonville, Duval 0 County, Florida? What time did the call come into JFRD? It was received at :. P.m.? P.m.. What was the nature of the call dispatched to you? G.S.W., gunshot wound. Thank you. nd does that make it a priority 0 for JFRD to get to the scene as quickly as possible? What time did -- how many units went from your location? Three, an engine, a fire engine, a ladder truck and a rescue unit.
Now why does anyone other than a rescue unit respond to gunshot wounds? For assistance. There's lots of things going on. nd are all of your -- the members of those units trained to perform certain types of lifesaving measures? nd what is your -- what's your specific 0 training when it comes to assessing a gunshot wound patient? there? Depends on the needs of the patient. So you can't determine that until you get Right. Do you take equipment with you to plan for any possible method of treatment to save that person's life? 0 nd was all that equipment taken with all of you that evening? When you pulled into the Gate Gas Station, was the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office there? Did you notice any units there?
after us. I don't we call if they got there before or Do you virtually jump out of your vehicle, carry your equipment and get to the patient as soon as possible? How did you all know where the patient was in this particular instance? We pulled up and it was obvious where he was 0 at. Where was the patient? He was laying on the ground. Was he near anything? Do you recall a vehicle near him? He was laying right -- right where they had parked it appeared. He was laying right on the ground supine, face-up. Was there anyone near him when you approached? 0 I don't recall. In that situation we just go straight to him. Tell -- tell the jurors what's your focus when you get out there? We go straight to him and don't -- whatever's going on outside of the patient we don't pay much
attention to. Does that include not being able to take the time to worry about physical evidence? If you step on something do you have the time to worry about it or is the patient's life the most important thing? The patient is the priority. Okay. So did you assess this patient, and 0 refer to your notes if you need to, when you first got to him? Per my notes we found him he was pulseless. We started C.P.R.. Let me -- let me stop you right there. Tell the jurors what you mean by pulseless. recall? He didn't have a pulse. Where did you check for a pulse if you I don't recall but standard procedure would 0 say we would check a carotid pulse and listen to see if he was breathing. Did you detect any signs of a pulse at all? Throughout the time you dealt with this patient from the time you touched him at the Gate Gas
Station till the time you delivered him to the hospital did he ever regain a pulse? What else did you assess with this patient? We looked for injuries. We found one gunshot 0 wound to his right midaxillary line which is the right side. MS. COREY: May he stand? THE COURT: Yes, ma'am. BY MS. COREY: ll right. Would you please stand? nd would you show the jurors where you found a wound? (Indicating.) Is it where you're touching? Right here on my right side. Your right side. ll right, sir. nd did you do that by lifting his shirt? I don't recall but standard procedure says we 0 cut their clothes off in that situation and see what we can find. Resume. Now let's talk just a moment about cutting clothes off. gain we talked briefly about evidence that could be around a patient, but in cutting their clothes off do you have the time to worry about where that gunshot wound entered the clothing before it
entered the body? We just -- we just get their clothes off. You just get them off as quick as you can? (Nods head affirmatively.) Okay. So then after you found that gunshot wound, what were you able to do to treat that specific wound? We just applied direct pressure, tried to 0 control the bleeding along with giving C.P.R. and other procedures we were doing. Did you intubate this patient? Was he ever able to breathe on his own? re you also trying to load him up to get him into the rescue unit at the same time you all are doing all this -- these other lifesaving measures? We started C.P.R., put him on a 0 stretcher and then continued once we got in the truck. nd once you get to a patient, do you ever stop touching or working on that patient to try to save his life? Were you able to save Jordan Davis' life?
How long -- well, let me ask you to look again at your report. What time did you all leave the Gate Gas Station with Jordan Davis? We left at :. 0 So : p.m.? : p.m.. nd where did you take him? Shands. Tell the jurors where Shands Hospital is. Shands is off of th Street off. It took us looks like minutes to get there. It's a trauma center. nd is that protocol for Jax Fire and Rescue to take gunshot wound patients to the downtown rather than to the closest hospital? Right. It's a trauma center. In that minutes did you and your 0 colleagues continue to try to work on Jordan Davis to resuscitate him and save his life? Were you able to do that? Did you turn Jordan Davis himself and all of his clothing and belongings over to the Shands Hospital
0 personnel when you arrived? Did you have any further involvement in this case? MS. COREY: May I have a moment with 0 co-counsel? THE COURT: Yes, ma'am. MS. COREY: That's all. Thank you, Your Honor. THE COURT: Mr. Strolla. MR. STROLL: Yes, Your Honor. If I may please have a moment? THE COURT: Yes, sir. CROSS EXMINTION BY MR. STROLL: Good morning, Mr. Spicer. How are you? Good morning. Now did you say there's a difference between 0 being a paramedic and an E.M.T.? Okay. Can you tell the jury what the difference is? Being a paramedic is just further training once you've completed E.M.T. training. You're able to
do more advanced lifesaving procedures. Okay. nd you're an E.M.T., correct? nd the person you were with driving the rig was also an E.M.T.? Let me stop you. E.M.T. -- I'm also a paramedic. I hold both licenses. 0 Okay. So you've even got extra training? Right. I'm a paramedic, yes. Okay. nd I apologize. No problem. No problem at all. I want to give you credit for your training. ll right. Your partner who was driving the rig, correct -- 0 paramedic. You weren't driving, correct? Okay. nd your partner is also a paramedic? I'm not sure if he was an E.M.T. or Okay. He was one of the two. What do you mean he was one of the two? You have to be an E.M.T. to be employed by
the Fire Department. Right. But you could possibly be a paramedic. Okay. nd have you worked with that gentleman before? I don't recall. Okay. nd as you sit here today you don't know if he's a paramedic versus an E.M.T.? 0 I don't know. Okay. That's okay. Now can you tell the jury a little bit -- how long ago did you say you started your -- your E.M.T. training? Because E.M.T. comes before paramedic, correct? training. Right, right. So tell the jury when you started your E.M.T. That was in May of 00 when I went to school for E.M.T.. 0 Okay. nd how long did you go to school? E.M.T. school is approximately three-and-a-half months. Okay. nd in that three-and-a-half months is it basically full-time, 0 hours a week? I believe it was three days a week. Okay. nd did you have to take tests?
Did you have to get training? Were you trained by other people qualified and experienced in that training? Okay. You weren't being trained by the Jacksonville Beach lifeguards, correct? 0 Okay. Now when you do your three months -- you said three months of training for E.M.T.? Did you graduate with a certificate? Did you do okay to get passed? Okay. How long then were you an E.M.T. before you became a paramedic? 0 I'm not sure. Okay. Talk to the jury -- tell me -- if you could educate me, and I apologize. What do you have to do to go from an E.M.T. to a paramedic? You go to school. You spend time in the classroom and in hospitals along with doing ride-alongs and learning new procedures and more advanced
procedures. How long did that take to go from an E.M.T. to a paramedic? The school took me approximately a year. year? Did you do it full-time? So even full-time it took you a year to get 0 through all the training necessary to have that higher education of a paramedic? nd do you recall the call going out or you were dispatched at : that evening -- I know we used military terms before but : p.m.? nd only took you a few minutes to get there. You actually had -- you arrived four minutes later, correct? 0 nd in your report that you referred to with Ms. Corey you actually had contact with Mr. Davis two minutes after you got there? I would have to reference my report. Go ahead and reference or :, patient
contact, is that correct? You don't have page numbers on your report so I apologize. We do not. Look at page three at the top. If you want to look at page three. Do you have page three or would you like me to approach? pproach me, please. MR. STROLL: Judge, if I may, and for the 0 record I'm showing page three to the witness. THE COURT: ll right. MR. STROLL: Of the JRF report. BY MR. STROLL: Sir, do you recognize the report I'm showing you? 0 Corey? clearly? Is that the report you referred to with Ms. Is that page three? Is this your same report? Does that indicate times laid out pretty
Okay. It looks like you arrived at :? Uh-huh. Had patient contact at :? nd you departed at :, correct? Okay. Now again when you came on scene, was there anything different with this gunshot scene as any other gunshot scenes you've ever gone to before? 0 Every scene is unique but nothing struck me as abnormal. Okay. nd how many gunshot scenes have you gone to in your career as an E.M.T. or paramedic? I don't -- I don't know. Can you give me an estimate, 0, 0, a hundred, 00? 0 hundred. hundred? (Nods head affirmatively.) nd that's in your seven-year career? nd did you perform your duties just like you have in all those other hundred times as a paramedic what you did that evening?
like that? You didn't stop and talk to police, anything They didn't pull you aside to show you evidence, anything like that? Did you see anything that you believed to be 0 evidence? Did you see -- were you kicking shell casings out of the way, moving stuff out of the way or was the patient there and you said people were just around him, correct? Correct. nd matter of fact you indicated, and correct me if I'm wrong, you can't even recall who was standing around him but people were standing around him? 0 Mr. Davis? Correct. There was people in the vicinity. That's what I'm asking you. Right. Obviously you don't know who they were? Uh-huh. Was anybody on top of Mr. Davis or working on Not that I recall. Now you said something with Ms. Corey that you checked for a pulse through the carotid pulse.
That's what we typically do. I don't specifically recall doing that but that's how I check if they had a pulse. Okay. Let me ask you this: Can you show the jury how you would check for that? nd you can show it on yourself if you don't mind. Just take two fingers right where your artery is and see if you can feel a pulse. Now let me ask you this: Did you receive 0 specialized training to find someone's carotid artery to check a pulse? Did you get that training as an E.M.T.? Did you get enhanced training as a paramedic? Were you actually taught by -- you said you went to hospitals in your training, correct? 0 You were actually trained by medical doctors how to do that and find the pulse to even further your skill on that, correct? The doctors did give us further training, yes. Okay. Now Ms. Corey also said that -- I
think she said did you intubate Mr. Davis? Intubate, yes. Why did you do that? To secure an airway. It's a tube that's able to go directly into the trachea so it's a direct line to their lungs. nd then that's in case for lifesaving 0 measures as you're giving chest compressions you can get air going to the lungs so that the brain doesn't die, correct? Correct. MR. STROLL: Nothing further, Judge. MS. COREY: No further questions, Your Honor. THE COURT: Thank you, sir. You're -- may he 0 be excused? MS. COREY: bsolutely. THE COURT: Mr. Strolla? MR. STROLL: Yes, Your Honor. THE COURT: ll right. Thank you, sir. You're excused. (Witness excused.) THE COURT: Next witness. MS. WOLFSON: Your Honor, the state next calls Sergeant Shore. THE COURT: Sergeant Shore. Good morning,