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1 ******************************************************** * Active Worlds chat session: Wed Apr 11, :28 PM * ******************************************************** Immigration Officer: Welcome to world++, ommm estroide: hi, is anyone alive in here? ANGELIDAKIS: alive? estroide: hi angelidakis estroide: yeah, until now I've only met zombie avatars ANGELIDAKIS: hi estroide estroide: except yu estroide: are you from this world? ANGELIDAKIS: yes from this, whatever that means estroide: I'm from the femtedim world in eduverse, feeling really inferior being a tourist here ANGELIDAKIS: I know the feeling estroide: I'm a bit early anyway - for the 'party', so I guess I ought to feel odd ANGELIDAKIS: when is the "party"

2 ANGELIDAKIS: dunno the time diff ommm: hello miltos knock: hello estroide: party= Artist Miltos Manetas addresses the 3D avatar Forum ANGELIDAKIS: yes I know estroide: hi ommm, I was formerly known as skejs!! ommm: is that you Miltos (knock)? ommm: hello estoride (skejs) knock: yes, ingognito.. estroide: I met mjson 'live' in copenhagen some time ago - great to see your fellow avatars in RL ommm: oh, you finally met mjson!! estroide: yeah, very nice guy ommm: hope mjson will join us today estroide: yes ommm: estroide, remind me, are you now in sweden? estroide: yes, I remeber you, i have been in denmark, copenhagen all the time,and still am ommm: oh, that's right! copenhagen ANGELIDAKIS: who's from sweden? ANGELIDAKIS: nope, but I will be in Stockholm on the 2rd-6th May, for a lecture at the Architecture School ommm: ANGELIDAKIS: do you want to introduce your real persona? ANGELIDAKIS: umm its me ommm: hehe ANGELIDAKIS: no persona

3 orsino: Hello, I'm Robert Hamm at UC Santa Barbara--I work with the Digital Cultures Project. ommm: clear persona, no filter? ommm: welcome Robert to your first CyberForum! ommm: ANGELIDAKIS: have you been to a forum before? orsino: Thanks--I'm anxious to see what happens ANGELIDAKIS: Omm: no, first time ommm: hello Monad Monad: Hi Ommm! ommm: monad is Matthew Sloly? manetas: Here I am estroide: hi orsine, hi manetas orsino: Welcome! estroide: hi monad ommm: hello miltos manetas (on a bike) ommm: (to Monad) miltos in the lab? estroide: who's hotep (my favoite avatar)?

4 ANGELIDAKIS: ahhh official manetas manetas: Hello to everybody... Monad: hi ESTROIDE manetas: In the EO at LA, chinatown ommm: what's the EO manetas: The electronic orphanage manetas: gaga: is that where Eddo works? estroide: why don't we introduce ourselves, I'm a ph.d. scholar working with children building 3D world... or maybe you all know each other..? estroide: hi gaga - I know you from my former identity as skejs ommm: skejs had a big influence on our forums last year estroide: thanks (blushing) gaga: ah, I was just writing about you yesterday!! nice to see you (once you've loaded) Monad: I am an artist/mfa student at Art Center. (see: gaga: hi!!! Monad: Hi Gaga estroide: I'm at gaga: yeah, if you want to tell me more about you I'd love to hear it. aren't you in europe? manetas: This is the first meeting in ++ history!! gaga: this is Tobey Crockett as gaga ommm: hey, welcome Tobey! orsino: ++ history? manetas: Virtual : ) orsino: thanks (blush)

5 Monad: World++ ANGELIDAKIS: architect, in the team of chelsea and world++ ommm: Let's begin our first April CyberForum!! ommm: what a bright beginning here in Miltos's world++ manetas: Today we have with us the other creator of CHELSEA, Andreas Angelidakis manetas: And also, Francois Perrin. He will be here soon ommm: great to have you here Andreas, where are you physically today? estroide: bowing for angelidakis ommm: this is a wonderful spot to enter 3D architecture! ANGELIDAKIS: New York ommm: but the signage is not clear, can you architects explain? ANGELIDAKIS: it is in progress ommm: to where is it progressing? ANGELIDAKIS: perfection estroide: lol ANGELIDAKIS: ;)\ manetas: A double of the real World

6 estroide: double? ommm: really? with traffic and pollution? ANGELIDAKIS: a simulation of nothing manetas: As you may all know, real world is just the part of the world that affects us manetas: we want to build that part in ++ and let out the rest ommm: that is indeed a plus manetas: Elite ommm: the chosen parts manetas: Open to everybody ( to watch) estroide: the rest? manetas: classic manetas: the rest is not part of reality ommm: do you plan to allow visitors to build? manetas: Only selected visitors will build estroide: the things that do not affect us? Monad: There is a particular program to the building being permitted? ommm: so do you hope people will return even though they cannot leave their mark? ommm: yup, mc manetas: I am not so interested in communication "McFly": this is jason manetas: More on the "building" aspect ANGELIDAKIS: sometimes a visit is a mark ommm: so, Miltos, is this more of a broadcast world (one-way)? estroide: My McFly, interesting you have a new name - I was skejs, great to see you again

7 ommm: angel: does the visit stay behind in some way? ANGELIDAKIS: no manetas: both way for selected.. the others can be visitors which is great.. estroide: Angel, can u tell what's the purpose of this world, or who is working on it, why? ommm: oh, so the selected are the artists? gaga: I notice that the avatars don't seem to have the gestures Is it me or just the way they are currently set up? manetas: Not only.. Its open to everybody we really want to deal with ANGELIDAKIS: working on it: Francois Perrin, Miltos Manetas and Andreas Angelidakis + guests orsino: deal with in what sense? ANGELIDAKIS: The purpose is to change the world estroide: wow! manetas: see them and talk with them and see their output ommm: isn't it always changing already? gaga: lol estroide: we have ATTACK doing that in Europe ommm: can you tell us more estroide about ATTACK?

8 Monad: The real world or art world... or both-as-one? ANGELIDAKIS: well, maybe control is a better word manetas: forget art world : that's just the excuse : ready made images you see... gaga: wow! all so programmatic! Is this the tool influencing the content or what? manetas: The idea is to build a little society estroide: Briefly, ATTACK is a NGO trying to make a new political agenda - postmodern kind of politics, manetas: programmatic : our times are programmatic: its fun.. ANGELIDAKIS: treat the world as NEW ommm: billionaires for Bush? estroide: I don't believe they are succeeding very well, but at least it is good having former left-wing believing in new ways of making politics, big thing in EU manetas: ++ has very basic ideas... gaga: as long as the programmers really understand what they are doing manetas: Which are of course in perpetual change.. Monad: Postmodernism by definition, cannot be new. The new is Modern... no? manetas: Please, let's avoid 20th century cliché.. ommm: can we go to New York or Milan or Tokyo from here? orsino: a better way to phrase it? gaga: let's go! Monad: Post-postmodern? estroide: right, I'm not in favor of that either, but like people trying new ways estroide: let's go... where? francoisperrin: pretty crowded today gaga: I don't know...i am listening to unreleased Jimi Hendrix while we speak...it sounds pretty fresh for being in the can 30 years ommm: this entry has a very beautiful look as an entry space...

9 gaga: yes it does...who made it? ommm: each quadrant pulls us out further ommm: can we go down any of these tunnels? or is it an illusion? estroide: let's rock LA? Monad: Yes it is nice... makes me want to fan out in all directions at once. Monad: Wish I could. ommm: the birdie avatar wants to fly through ommm: i see francois has had a hand in this entry way orsino: I just realized, everyone is floating!?! ommm: this is a floating world!! ommm: what can we click on today? manetas: We are all building under francois this moment francoisperrin: hi miltos and andreas ANGELIDAKIS: hi francois francoisperrin: it is the big crowd today Monad: No grass? manetas: Hello Francois gaga: that must make us the Flowers, if this is the Floating world...

10 Totoro: This birdie imagines the space looks great...but with only 8 megs of videoram, it does not. francoisperrin: what is the talk about? need some help estroide: Angel, the moving squares are very dominating - is that a part of changing the world, how? ANGELIDAKIS: yes gaga: do you see this placards with all these cutting edge galleries listed plus art mags? Do you know what that means? francoisperrin: it is really dangerous those days to come up with new concepts in Activeworlds gaga: AW about to get chic! estroide: dangerous? gaga: how so? francoisperrin: i would like to tell you, but you could be sued by some angry architects!!! estroide: come on!! ommm: do you plan to have art publications in world++? gaga: is this an intellectual property issue all of a sudden? manetas: I hate intellectual property francoisperrin: in fact you will find all the info about custom building in the aw website manetas: everything digital belongs to all "McFly": i agree "McFly": including mp3 francoisperrin: for sure, only some people think they own activeworlds orsino: always back to audio? manetas: also all images gaga: you mean you have a management problem or a collaborator problem? manetas: images are free because they can be seen

11 francoisperrin: i agreed to do some public talk about new buildings in aw Monad: That may be so, but there are still moral rights that must be respected, such as the right to identity. orsino: so is music free because it can be heard? ommm: launch forth, francois, we are all ears! manetas: identity is what survives on time : no way to protect it orsino: is consumption, the ability to be consumed, the issue? francoisperrin: what do you want to know, are you familiar with aw building ANGELIDAKIS: what about authorship? manetas: music is also free gaga: I am sure that some of us are familiar with authoring FP orsino: what makes music free? "McFly": what's that? Monad: No right is absolute in as far as all rights rely on others upholding them. gaga: what do you want to tell us? manetas: it can be heard and copied "McFly": and shared manetas: everything that can be copied is free by definition' estroide: HEYYYY I want to hear about this world, Angel, please tell... "McFly": dimmagio is a classic example of abusing shrouded identity ANGELIDAKIS: estroide, I just designed the lobby, not the rest of the world. That was done by Francois Perrin estroide: great lobby, what made you built it this way, angel? "McFly": why, out of all the colors did you choose black? gaga: yes, what is a seven sided structure called again? gaga: prime number on purpose? ommm: let's all go down one of the blue corridors together...which one?

12 ANGELIDAKIS: estroide: what do you mean? Monad: Art is for everyone, as is power, and responsibility. Monad: It is a circle. Monad: who me? gaga: this one has all these signs...will these be links? manetas: Only LA is active. Click on LA ommm: ok, let's go down LA! mjson: ok "McFly": yes ommm: am i on a freeway? estroide: I mean, you could have designed this lobby in 1000 of ways, what made u make it like this, what were your associations? Your inspiration? ommm: i see exit signs...;-) estroide: lets go LA gaga: I really like the white rectangles orsino: the signs are great gaga: which become signs in the right place for reading... manetas: Only Chinatown is active : )

13 "McFly": what do you mean by active? that we can go in? ommm: let's go to Chinatown! gaga: hey groovy i clicked on chinatown and now I am elsewhere! manetas: Join me gaga: beautiful cube in the sky!!!!! ommm: cool! ANGELIDAKIS: estroide: just trying to visualize teleporting I guess. The rotating tunnels are "links to come". LA is the active one at the moment

14 manetas: Our idea is to keep the connotations of the real space "McFly": how do u get into Chinatown? manetas: Make neighborhoods based on the art neighborhoods estroide: ok, angel, thanks "McFly": just double click? gaga: this is gorgeous this thing...who made it? ommm: hello mjson manetas: keep the map of the real locations mjson: it's just like riding on harbor freeway, suddenly you're in Chinatown manetas: and give them their spaces for free mjson: hi ommm! manetas: then, build studios and offices on the air.. gaga: this is really cool "SUMITAGARWAL": Is there anyone from ACCD around "SUMITAGARWAL": someone who could guide me towards the online forum?? "McFly": yep..i am accd gaga: join me "SUMITAGARWAL": hi Mc Fly

15 ommm: let's join gaga "McFly": hi "SUMITAGARWAL": I'm from SCIarc "SUMITAGARWAL": Ireceived an from M Heim... about an online forum.. ommm: welcome from SCIarc! gaga: look inwards "SUMITAGARWAL": hi mike ommm: (to "SUMITAGARWAL") glad you could make it "SUMITAGARWAL": this is Sumit Agarwal gaga: Monad, so is this an image from GZ? mjson: cool

16 "McFly": welcome Monad: Yes gaga: nice echo-location baby ANGELIDAKIS: sciarc nice estroide: heeeelp I'm lost someone tell me how to get to chinatown? Monad: I have my webcam pointed at the screen, so you see some of what I do.with some lag. mjson: very esoteric gaga: yet it loads all right which has been a challenge to others in the past gaga: looking straight up thru the structure is nice too Monad: Tom Mancuso was the first artist to use Video in AW that I know of. "McFly": there are some people who still have trouble getting into chinatown..please tell us what to do

17 Monad: Just the cube. francoisperrin: click on electronic orphanage gaga: yeah, as far as i know, but it was not so easy Monad: It too references the real, but can exist nowhere but here... wherever "here" is. ommm: so, Monad, your webcam is pointed at your screen now that shows the Cube in Chinatown in world++??? gaga: is monad Matthew Sloly? Monad: Ah... I have to think about that. ommm: Monad is 3d artist Matthew Denis Richard Sloly, the Cube guy estroide: ok, I'm here, I just didn't reckon this was china town, someone please tell me what is 'Chinatown' about this? Monad: It is also showing my screen. ommm: okay, what is Chinatown about this, anyone? Monad:? gaga: yeah, i was thinking to myself that this was too too similar to Matt's work not to BE matt! ommm: Chinese boxes? manetas: Chinatown is just the location in LA where all these new galleries are..

18 estroide: lol ommm Monad: Well, art is shown there... here... ommm: oh, yes, i see manetas: Its a little road called Chung King Road estroide: challenging (politely): how does this change the world? estroide: ok, maybe stupid question, it _is_ interesting art!! manetas: It doesn't need to have anything chinese... Monad: I am in my studio at Del Mar in Pasadena Monad: I am making the work, live. ANGELIDAKIS: where in ++ is your webcam though? ommm: i can see avatars in the texture, but the texture is semi- transparent

19 gaga: isn't it manetas on the ski bike? You make a great repeated shape Monad: yes. Monad: Miltos invited me to make this work here. ANGELIDAKIS: wow its beautiful ommm: so world++ is becoming an art gallery Monad: I think it is great that he is making this space available to native digital art, as this is so often never done. ommm: yes, the work is created in and for the 3D world ommm: not transplanted into the 3D world

20 gaga: I am on the ground looking up and you can see the screen image nicely from here...still distorted but recognizable ommm: yes, this is a great view. Come down and join gaga ommm: and then look up by using PgUp key Monad: In as far as you see the analogue artifacts of my physical screen... as site. orsino: who crushed me? gaga: I am going into this building over there so join ommm instead for the view

21 Monad: but the where of here is not resolvable. ommm: "the where of here is not resolvable" Monad: That is the question I am asking ommm: good title for an art work francoisperrin: nice work monad Monad: Urbanism is not something I have been thinking about... Monad: Could you elaborate? gaga: so there are also images in these buildings down here manetas francoisperrin: we should have meet, i was doing studio visit in del mar in december gaga: these are galleries with lnks and 'offerings' that are current shows? manetas: yes Monad: Next time your in LA.. or here. gaga: like the MOCA show and some NYC/LA galleries

22 francoisperrin: i am still in la, i will do other visit next quarter gaga: what was their reception at first to your proposal to show here? Monad: Sure! francoisperrin: you can check some spaces i am designing at world : clima Monad: I will. Monad: Have we missed the train? Where is everyone now? gaga: this transparent pink mountain range is nice "SUMITAGARWAL": hi this is Christophe in sumits form

23 gaga: like a scrim into a black box ommm: our CyberForum #1 in April is coming to a close manetas: if YOU ALL JOIN ME HERE, THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL ROLLING SCULPTURE BY angelidakis gaga: it says it belongs to francois Monad: Yes it is! ommm: let's join Manetas francoisperrin: don't trust the names!! manetas: isn't IT FANTASTIC? gaga: yeah i know how that goes... ; - ) ommm: looks good looking out from inside manetas: its SUCH A aw MONUMENT! ommm: you are all floating particles "SCIarc": so are U manetas: andreas LOVES FLOATING ommm: motes of dust in the light, in the phosphorescent light "McFly": is this how heaven's gonna look?

24 manetas: yes! gaga: like a slice of lime jello mjson: this conveys concreteness, thought I would hurt my head walking into it ANGELIDAKIS: this is supposed to be the seed for New York gaga: ah so mjson was psychic! concrete for the concrete! orsino: are the walls of the structure permeable? "SCIarc": Seed for new York... "McFly": i truly feel like i am part of the vast space of universe orsino: that's permeable? mjson: where is new york manetas: aw is the only place where I really enjoy a large number of people.. "McFly": why don't we all move at the same time? mjson: me too, because i can mute them here :) (just kidding) "McFly": it will look cool Monad: Fun ommm: so, Miltos, maybe we should return here in 3 months to see ommm: what you have done with NY, Milan, Tokyo, etcetera...

25 "SUMITAGARWAL": is there any feedback between the physical urban space and the virtual? ommm: do you have a timeframe? manetas: check it out... manetas: ASAP is the time frame ommm: haha ommm: we have had a fun forum here today, seeing new things ommm: and hearing your dreams ommm: thank you so much, builders of world++ for ommm: sharing your visions with the CyberForum@ArtCenter gaga: applause for the forum gaga: applause for all the efforts and hard work ommm: next week Wednesday we meet again mjson: *clapping* "SCIarc": Thanks Mike Monad: Yes.. thanks Miltos. manetas: thank you ommm: see you there orsino: thanks to all! "SUMITAGARWAL": out ommm: and yes, thank you all, old friends and new Monad: Thanks Mike! manetas: see you all in EO: ommm: for joining us today in the virtual world "McFly": i will see you all next wednesday for the 2nd forum ANGELIDAKIS: thank you indeed gaga: yay!!!

26 manetas: check the updates gaga: we will! such a great beginning! "McFly": sure gaga: bye y'all... francoisperrin: if anyone interested helping us talk to miltos "McFly": bye ommm: bye all!! ommm: see you next week!!